Nitpicking grades

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  1. TrademarkTer

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    My students understand this. What they DON'T understand is if homework is 10% of the grade and they currently have a 100% homework average, it won't help their grade if I put in more homework sccores. More homework scores, regardless of what they are, can only bring it down.
     
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  2. otterpop

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    Agreed. Weighted grades can be extremely difficult for even many parents to understand.
     
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    Whatever you do with this child's grades for this year is more of a learning experience for you than for this particular child and parent. I love some of the ideas that have been shared, since where I am at, a teacher would be obligated to conference with the parent who questions the grades. Having hard copies of all the documents that were provided and signed will go a very long way in heading these things off at the pass. To previous posters in this thread - you are so helpful and educational, and I appreciate it!
     
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    Otter,
    I am getting mixed messages from your post.

    Half of the post is spent talking about how important it is to do the assignment exactly how you expect. I may be wrong but it seems from what you are saying it is more form over substance.

    Then you continually say that the points are not that many. It isn't worth doing the 3+ hours of work to make up the assignments, etc. You even tell the child that the loss of points won't impact her grade that much which basically says the person saying it is so important to do assignments this way doesn't really matter all that much.

    I get even more confused when you say that
    . If this is the case, why are you so frustrated with the child and parent, if you admit they are confused?

    How does your change impact learning?
     
  5. otterpop

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    Our school uses a grade weighting system, and the category of "homework" is not worth much.

    Also, while it is helpful work, it's helpful in the week they do it. It's not going to be very beneficial if it all gets done at the end of the term. I can send you a pm that might make more sense, since I was trying not to get too specific.
     
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  6. Joyful!

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    I've been there, and I'm sorry.
    Can you respond that you were very pleased to extend grace to M. and that on the one assignment, number 7, she turned in she did a great job. Is it possible she left assignments 1-6 at home? Then, mom has to realize that either her child is playing her and is sabotaging, or that she was misled and precious has to do the remaining work. (I have had students do all the work with mom, only to have them turn in part of it. Don't assume it wasn't done, and give mom a chance to check it out.)
     
  7. TeacherNY

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    That's what it sounds like to me too. The parent shouldn't be so easily confused if the teacher explained everything so it sounds like the kid is playing her so obviously nothing is making sense.
     
  8. Nicolebeason

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    I explain to students, parents alike; I grade (those tests I can grade this way) from the backside to the front; last to beginning where I do not see the student's name....in trying to let them know that I am not being discriminatory nor playing favorites with students. Still, I will have arguments; "well we didn't go over that part"...etc., etc., even though we have had ample review, lessons, you name it. Not much advice to give here sadly; just can relate to the cringeworthy feelings. Even arguments from students who are in the A/B range. The only other argument I can present is if I make allowances for you, I have to then make them for all. (and) what is the point of assessing anyway - it's the only way I can tell where a student is and where we need to go from here. (Especially from the well connected PTA group) and we wonder why we get the extreme of the celebrity university scandal. Ha!
     
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    It all depends upon the battles you want to fight.
    I had a high school senior that was failed all three quarters and was failing the fourth. I sent the required notice to the counselors that here was a senior in danger of failing English for the year. My principal got a hold of it and told me to give her all the make-up work from September to May, so she could pull up not only her current grade, but the grade of the other 3 quarters as well. He sent along a hand-written note, "I DO hope she completes all of her assignments." Message received, loud and clear. She got her four "Ds" for a year average of a "D" and graduated on time even though not one piece of paper ever crossed my desk from her.
     
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    They would have fired me before I passed that senior. I love my current seniors to death. And I flunked three of them and didn't bat am eyelash.
     
  11. otterpop

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    Schools are under terrible pressure to not have students marked as "failure to graduate" and, as such, admin puts terrible pressure on teachers to not fail students. It's a defunct and ineffective system all around. It results in giving diplomas to students for skills they don't have.
     
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    Yup and it's terrible and shouldn't be that way. But it is. Not to mention students who are athletes being passed on the merit of being an athlete alone. Or students perceived as being "difficult" students for this reason or that. All of them get passed for this reason or the next and then they get to the next teacher or out in life and either they fail or that next authority figure continues the cycle. You're stuck between a rock and a hard place.

    I believe this is what is wrong with the World, or at least partly. There's no accountability. Students have been taught that the authority figures in their lives can be persuaded to provide results that were not earned. The books can be "fixed". The rules can be bent, or disregarded completely. It starts at home with the parents, it's reinforced by teachers/admin at school when the student is growing up. Then they turn 18 get out into the World and either get slapped in the face because the rules are different or the system bends to their will.
     
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