New way of evaluating?

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  1. Mami1Maestra2

    Mami1Maestra2 Rookie

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    Our 5 a.p.'s are now travelling in a pack and evaluating teachers all at the same time. Is your school doing evaluations like this too?
     
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    No! We don’t have that many administrators but that would make me extremely nervous.
     
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    No, but I’ve heard of it being done to ensure consistency among evaluators.
     
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    This absolutely eliminates a vindictive or an overly harsh AP from being the only one giving the eval.
     
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    Five seems excessive though. Two would be more reasonable.
     
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    I wonder if they have recently changed how they evaluate, such as adopting the Danielson method, which kind of mandates multiple people evaluating as they are learning the system/format? I went through this at another school. Once they were convinced that everyone was capable of effectively using the same format, the observations once again became a single individual doing the observation. The group was simply a transition and way to train multiples in the least amount of time. Just a thought.
     
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    My school was doing 2 for a while switching between a duo of the P, AP, or one of our coordinators. Now my team is only evaluated by the AP.
     
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    Well first of all, who has 5 APs? This must be HS? Our P and AP always do an eval together at the beginning of the year to make sure they're on the same page- whoever ends up scheduled first ends up with that honor. I believe they also make them "practice" at the admin building. Doesn't work, though. Our AP is WAY more lenient than the P. I had the P last year and this year I have the AP, after having him 2 years ago as well. My entire eval process was so much easier and less stressful.
     
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    Huh? Who is doing their everyday work if they are moving in a pack? What does that do to discipline?
     
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    Yeah, even the larger high schools I subbed out only had 3 admins. P, AP and one dean. Good grief!
     
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    I've never heard of a school using 5 APs at once, but I worked at a district long ago that did "district evals" like this. A large team would show up unannounced at the school, clipboards in hand, and go room to room. They had a list of things they were specifically looking for. Each of the five was looking for specific things so they could be in and out quickly.

    And it was nit-picky stuff -- like if you were following the daily math program "with fidelity" you should have added 15 minutes each day to your daily math clock display. Since this was day Xx, your clock should say "10:15am." If it didn't say that, you were marked down. (And there was no document that told us what time it should be on, only the beginning of the year time -- so if you forgot even one day to do it, you could never get yourself straightened out.

    If you were supposed to add a dot a day to the tens frames on the display, you should have XX number of dots. Too few? Too many? Marked down.

    If you were supposed to add 5 words a week to the word wall, and Xx weeks had passed, you better have that number words up, and they better be the exact words prescribed in the Words Their Way program. You don't? Marked down.

    They had a list like this for every grade level. Then they picked up the mandatory Lesson Plan notebook in each room, and flipped through it. They better see today's lesson plan in it, as well as all prior days, and today's better have all the appropriate buzzwords in it, and all of the required components. Missing the "hook" (the anticipatory set)? Marked down. It went on and on. They wanted all lesson plans in the entire district to be in the exact same place each day. This means they expected the inclusion classes in exactly the same place as the gifted cluster classes, which is ridiculous.

    At the end, they didn't meet with you -- they met with your principal and ripped him apart over every "discrepancy." He in turn, called in all the instructional specialists, and ripped into them for him getting "ripped into." They in turn, rounded up the grade level chairs, and ripped into them. You guessed it, the grade level chairs rounded up their grade level teams, and ripped into them.

    This happened every single month! And try as hard as you might, there was just no way to keep up with all the "non-negotiables." Eventually, we did get better at "playing their game" but it was ridiculous. Was it any wonder that this district had huge turnover (both in teachers and in principals) and often had to start the school year with over 10% of their classrooms with subs?
     
  13. futuremathsprof

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    You are exactly right!
     
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    I was in a school for yrs that had a P and 4 AP's. We had gangs of evaluators brought to our classes at times. I think it was mainly their training for consistency.
     

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