Nervous about next year...

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  1. Em_Catz

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    I'm concerned because we had a huge turnover this year and our entire team (including our team leader) are gone leaving just me and Sally in our grade level.

    Sally is nice, but she spent all last year on the bad side of the administration because she has poor class management skills, misses deadlines, and she freaks out/panics easily.

    I'm not sure if that means I become team leader or not, but I'm not as much concerned about that as I am that Sally's friend from another grade level is moving to our team.

    The two of them are members of the "party girl" clique of about six other teachers at my school. They're the type to go out on booze cruises and bars during after school, then arrive late to work and do a half- a** job.

    Sally's a follower and had trouble last year doing her job when we had a team of all responsible people.

    Now I'm concerned what'll happen when she has her equally irresponsible buddy with her.

    I'm also concerned because Sally's buddy has a bit of bad attitude and I've overheard her saying things like, "I know <reading specialist> asked for my data sheet before I leave Friday, but I have a LIFE. outside of school. I have friends. So I'll get it to her Monday."

    Toward the end of the year, I noticed that Sally started saying things like that and having a bit of attitude too. I've seen them turn in stuff late/not at all and try to put it on other people (ie: My documents are late because no one told me).

    Has anyone been in a situation like this? I'd appreciate any and all advice. At this point I figure I have to document EVERYTHING and put EVERYTHING I say to them in email so I have evidence incase they lie about me.
     
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    I am not quite so sure why you are so concerned what Sally does. Take care of your business and you should be fine.
     
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    I can tell you from experience it's much worse for a clique to be in favor with administration. That doesn't appear to be the case here, so you don't have to worry about that!

    Because you would most likely be team leader, definitely document everything to cover yourself against slander. You seem to have a bead on the situation.
     
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    I thought I mentioned it.

    #1: These two chicks lie on people and stick together
    #2: Bad attitudes from both women
    #3: Last year when Sally didn't do her job last year, it put the rest of the team under scrunity. I do my job, but I was always on edge b/c the admin popped in waaaaaaay more since Sally joined our team.
     
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    Since you will most likely be team leader, make it a point to cc admin every time you send an email to the team. Especially if you are giving deadlines for documents to be turned in or other important stuff.
     
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    You did, I just think the things you list shouldn't consume your time. they have bad attitudes, ok, they are not teaching your class are they? their students will definitely suffer, but not your class.

    Take care of your business and being under scrutiny is prolly the best thing, takes all the pressure off you. Admin will see the great job you are doing in the face of the evil twins. I would want more scrutiny by admin and would want them poppying in more, not less.

    Take care of your class and I bet you have a great year. You just have to make peace with the fact that you won't have great collaborations or camaraderie, otherwise prepping for war with them doesn't sound so productive.

    Stay above reproach.
     
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    Ignore their bad attitudes and remain professional. That's all there is to it.
     
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    I feel for you...It's really tough working closely with negative people. You're expected to work as a team, so it does have an effect on you.

    If you are the team leader, make sure meeting agendas are known before meetings. Try to stick to the agenda, and keep meetings all about business. That way there is little room for whining and negativity. I also try to surround myself with other people who are more positive. It would be really easy to go to other teacher friends and complain about your team members, but of course that won't get you anywhere. And it will start to take its toll on you.

    Like you had mentioned, document everything.
     
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    I've had Sally on my grade level. Just worry about your class and your responsibilities. Your P is probably more aware of Sally's attitude/ lack of deadlines than you think. It's draining to get sucked into what everyone else is doing. Don't let their attitudes get in the way of you enjoying your job.
     
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    I agree about documenting everything. As a team leader, you'd be in a good position to bring up issues with the P.

    Try not to worry about it, though. Potential problems are not the same as real, here-and-now problems. In the meantime, just enjoy your summer! :)
     
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    There's nothing wrong with going out after work, which is sort of how some of your post sounded. But I do get what you're saying about the attitude during work and the fact that now there are 2 rather than 1 like that on the grade level.

    We had this problem on my grade level last year. The admins sort of caught onto it as now the two of them aren't teaching on the same grade level. However the worse of the two is still on my grade level with me.

    But like many have said there's really nothing you can do about it. You're probably not going to change their attitudes either. If you're doing what you need to do on time and keeping your class under control that's all that should matter. Team leader doesn't mean "team manager." If they're not doing their part it shouldn't be a reflection of you.
     
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    :yeahthat: I didn't think about that, but you're right. If I know, the P must know. Plus, she may have spoken to my team leader during her exit interview. :thumb::thanks: That makes me feel better.
    Thank you those are great points. I was thinking about being team leader and about how I would need to remain professional and not be "buddy buddy" with them. Your comments have affirmed my thinking. My team leader used to be my go-to positive person, but now that she's gone, this'll be a chance for me to step outside of my comfort zone and bond with some of the other teachers on the hall for support.
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    You're right. There's nothing wrong with going out (or even having drinks) after work. Sometimes I meet a friend for happy hour. However, I still get my job done.

    These ladies come in late everyday, Sally's been known to do her morning meetings with the lights out because of her hangovers, and the two of them regularly miss deadlines and not get their work done.

    Thank you for your comment about being a LEADER and not a MANAGER. I'm too hard on myself sometimes because I feel like anything I'm associated with, if it goes wrong, it reflects poorly on me.

    Like when I did an observation once, everything went well, but I had one student who fell asleep during the independent work portion. I felt like all the other great stuff I did was cancelled out because of that. But I ended up still getting a high score.

    Thank you for the reality check:thumb:
     
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    I've found before that teachers like this get better when they are on the same team because they start realizing how annoying the other person's attitude is.
     
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    Popping in late on this one. Everyone has offered a lot of good advice and from your last post you were definitely able to distinguish what would be the most helpful to you. As others have said, these two (as annoying and un-professional as they act/could be) aren't teaching your kids and so at least you can breathe a sigh of relief.

    One of the first pieces of advice I received from many experienced teachers is to really to avoid any cliques. Good or bad, places like the teacher's lounge can kill a teacher's career and reputation faster than you can blink. If you come in every day and do your job to the best of your ability then you are golden. Cover yourself in any and all communications as stated before but make sure that your number one priority is you and your students. Not them. Eventually they will either get the attention of the P (and not in a good way), straighten up and fly right or they will lose their job through their carelessness.

    Unfortunately many people realize too late that teaching is a profession that tends to follow you home. We work many more hours than forty a week and while it is fine to go for a glass of wine or an evening with friends when it affects your ability to do your job, your "life" or "habits" encroaches upon your effectiveness as a teacher (or any other job). Sounds to me like you realize this, but as I said if you become a team leader or gain a position of authority you must deal with them. But no one said you have to like them or make excuses for them. Treat them respectfully and professionally and eventually their own attitudes and behaviors will bring themselves down.
     
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    This made me LOL because it reminded me of Cameron Diaz in Bad Teacher!!!

    Anyway, I can see where you're coming from. It sounds like the dynamic of your team has the potential to shift from positive (you and your team leader pulling it in that direction) to a negative with Sally and her BFF. Kind of like you're outnumbered now. From your other threads/posts, I can tell you're a dedicated profession who has a great attitude and wants what is best for your students. That's going to take you along way in this situation. :thumb:

    Try not to stress too much, easier said than done, I know. :) But you deserve to enjoy the rest of your summer.

    Beth
     
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    It's easy to say take care of your class and document meetings, etc., but it is a stressful situation just to be around that kind of negativity and incompetence- even when you aren't directly involved with the drama. I had that last year too and hopefully my upcoming year will be better as my team will be mostly new. PM me if you want to vent.
     
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    LoL! I hadn't even thought about that, but it's so true! The lights thing sounds like something Bad Teacher would've done :lol: BTW, Justin Timberlake was really funny in that movie to me. He was such a weirdo!

    Exactly! That's what it feels like. At my previous school, I worked with a crummy team, and yes, I did get my job done and take care of the class. However, it was extremely stressful working so closely with people that I couldn't depend on. Teaching is stressful and can feel isolating (you're pretty much in your room alone with the students most days) so it was great.

    Thank you for the offer to vent! If you need the same, please email me as well anytime throughout the year. Hopefully we'll both have a good year. Even though Sally and her bestie are going to be on my team, there are a few more openings. I hope that my P fills them with good, hardworking people :thumb:
     
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    Like I said, I've been in a similar situation before, so I know how you feel. I would be asked to sometimes run meetings when both of my negative teachers were on my grade level (and few other people) when my AP would sit in on these meetings I felt like the lack of conversation or participation and effort reflected on me. Then I realized that in his eyes, I was the one being asked to run the meeting and I was doing what I had been told, their lack of participation on reflected poorly on them. I was asked to lead the meeting not force them to participate.
     
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    Exactly. Just as we teachers know our students, I feel the administration know their teachers. I've had a good track record for the last four years. All I can do is my job. I can't force anyone else to do theirs. I can however cover myself and try to remain positive. It'll be hard, but I'm sure there'll be a few silver linings to this cloud if I look hard enough
     
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    Seriously???? How is this woman still employed?
     
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    Oh goodness. "Sally" must have a few sisters and cousins who work in my district! :lol:
     
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    I know right.

    All I can think is:

    1. Our school has a high turnover rate so our P is just happy to have a warm body filling the position

    2. Sally was able to hide her chronic lateness because her neighbor was an enabler (ie: every morning, the teacher beside Sally would gather Sally's class into their classroom so they wouldn't be standing outside Sally's door drawing the attention of the administration)

    My first thought when I read this was, "We should stick all the Sally's in one school so we won't have to worry about them anymore.":lol: But then, you can't have a school without kids and no kid deserves that. :dizzy:
     
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    I can understand your concern about having members like that on your team. I think admin will quickly see them for who they are (that is how it typically works out). Hopefully your enthusiasm and positive attitude might rub off on them. Also, how many other teachers will you have on your team (or is it just the three of you?)?
     
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    Dealing with negative attitudes can be exhausting, and somehow I found that the negative attitudes of my co-workers followed me even though I tried my best to ignore it. I learned halfway through the year to avoid those co-workers and only deal with them on an as needed basis.

    I think everyone gave you a lot of good ideas. Definitely CC your admin onto any e-mails you send, and make sure most of your communication is done via e-mail so that you have documentation of it so that they can't turn anything around on you, for example saying that they weren't aware of certain deadlines etc. When I've had to send such e-mails, I would often leave off the P on the original e-mail but as the deadline got closer would send a "remainder" and CC the P in on this so she was aware that they had to be reminding.

    All of my socializing during work hours was done with teachers not on my team, and we kept much of our lunch periods together free of work talk which helped us to avoid the negativity within our teams. Good luck!
     
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    I also agree that if you are going to be team lead, you will be ina great position to effect change at your grade level (beginning by leading by example). When will you know if the P is making you team lead?
     
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    That's been known to happen at my school too! Or my favorite, the two teachers (who's classes are across the hall) spend 10-15 minutes standing and talking, just shooting the breeze in the hallway after we pick up the kids in the morning because the AP is downstairs manning breakfast.
     
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    Be cordial. Be professional. Close the door and do your thing. :)
     

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