Need Help Passing the Praxis II 5169

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  1. teachmathva

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    I recently took the Praxis II 5169 and received a score of 28, which is 157. I plan on taking it again in July and want to pass with a score of 165 or above. I used a Praxis II 5169 test prep book and took the practice exams from the Praxis website. Does anyone have any tips on resources or tutors to help me pass?
     
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    Well, a 157 is almost there! You only need a little more and it'll be done. Was there a big difference in your Arithmetic and Algebra vs. Geometry and Data sections? If so, look for textbooks in the area that needs most work at your local library. If you're near a college that has teaching programs, they may have the test prep books in the reference section of their library you can review for free on location. I used the Cliff Notes book and one of the online exams for review. I used Khan Academy for a little daily mental practice. I found the tests in the in the CN book to be a little more difficult than the real exam and, at first, it had me convinced I'd never pull it off. However, it prepared me well. Practice each question - missed or not - until you understand it thoroughly. It's helpful to redo the practice tests in the book over and over until you get great scores on them well within the test's time frame.
     
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    Thanks CherryOak for the advice! I'll look at the Cliff Notes book and practice questions.
     
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    The Cliff Notes book helped! I passed my test!
     
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    Yay! Congrats. Va needs good math teachers. :)
     
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    Hello, is the CliffsNotes book material in line with what's on the actual exam? Thanks in advance! I failed miserably on my first try. What else can I use to study, as I am a visual learner?
     
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    You might try websites that teach or review math generally, using your previous results and the rundown of subject matter in the free Study Companion as guides. Some people like Khan Academy, but if that doesn't suit you, you can find other options by searching the blog Free Technology for Teachers, www.freetech4teachers.com.
     
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    Thank you for your feedback, TeacherGroupie! That sounds like a great idea.
     
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    TeeTee have you taking the Praxis 5169? If so what study resources did you find to be helpful?
     
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    Hello!
    Which practice exam online did you use for your praxis 5169 test prep? And did it match very closely to the actual exam? Thank you!!!
     
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    I took one of the official Praxis practice tests and it was pretty similar in difficulty to the one I encountered on test day.
     
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    Sorry I think my message didn’t send through correctly.

    Thanks for just reply! By official practice test, do you mean the one that you can buy off the ETS website that is online?

    And also, how long ago did you take the 5169 and how many did you get correct and final score?

    Thanks again!
     
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    Yes, I mean that one online. I took it 1.5 years ago and made a 196. My time was tight! I haven't taken the 5161, yet.
     
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    WOW - a 196? Excellent. I just need a 157 to pass and I feel like that is going to be an extremely difficult task to overcome.

    Do you know if the praxis has changed in content or difficulty in the past 1.5 years?

    And lastly, besides taking the ETS practice tests, do you recommend any other prep book or tips or suggestions? I just really need to pass this praxis next Saturday since I am in a pinch with my job situation and that will open up the MS math door.
     
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    I'm not aware of any changes, but I haven't bothered to look lately. If you're working in under that time constraint, you need to identify what you need to really work on. Take one of the practice tests in your chosen aide and diagnose your weaknesses. Read the study guide's competencies list. For me, I spent a ridiculous amount of time (and still would for the 5161) on combinations. Probability is so easy for most people. My head hurts trying to get it! Haha. I see trig, calc, stats, etc. But, simple probability makes me fuzzy headed. Oh well. Everyone is different. You're not going to have enough time to casually review it all. You need a very targeted approach tailored to your strengths/weaknesses.
     
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    Hi again,
    I purchased the REA book and read through the entire book, took the 2 practice book tests, took the 2 practice online tests, but still was only scoring in the high 60's on the practice tests (minus one outlier of scoring an 81). The geometry and confusing all the formulas are my biggest hurdle I think.

    I originally looked at the ETS guide for which concepts will be on the test but its like a million long it seems.

    And just to confirm - when you prepared to take the 5169,all you used was one praxis ets test online and the CLIFFNOTES 5169 book? Or did you use more? And also, how was your math proficiency leading into that praxis?

    I appreciate ALL your help - thanks again
     
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    That sounds very promising! Yes, those resources and Khan Academy were all I used. But, that's just what fit me. The resources are not half as important as what you do with them. My math proficiency was once very strong, however it had been years ago when I started the process. My first practice test was a 55%. I was pulling around 88-93% before taking the test.
     
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    Thanks again for the reply - praying I pass! One more question - I know that they don't count 10 questions out of the 55. So does that mean your final correct will only be out of 45 questions? If so, doesn't that make each question carry much more point value than if it was out of 55 questions? Can you clarify? Thank you!
     
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    The questions that don't get counted are being field-tested for inclusion in future tests: they're not ready for prime time, so to speak, and it's broadly to the test taker's advantage that they're not being counted. (Good multiple-choice questions are much harder to write than they look: field-testing the questions exposes them to more people from more diverse backgrounds and perspectives and who are likelier to discover the "bugs" that are less obvious to the test writers.)

    As for the formulae that keep getting mixed up: make sure you're learning them as equations, not expressions (that is, not "pi r squared" but "A = pi r squared"); elaborate them slightly, so you know what they refer to ("A(circle) = pi r squared"); where possible, find an example for each in something like your daily life and visualize the formula applying to that thing (for example, an apple pie for area, a chocolate cream pie for circumference). Goofy or, um, off-color mnemonics can be very helpful.
     
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    Hello and thank you! What happens if you get any of those “field tested” questions correct - does it boost your score?

    And lastly, even though they don’t count those 10, will the final score be counted out of 45 or 55 questions? Thanks!
     
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    Do those questions boost your score? Not that I know of. But both Praxis and Pearson are notoriously cagey about some things, and this is one of them.

    The score that matters is the scaled score, and it is definitely based on the number of questions that count.
     
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    Yes scaled is based on the number that count. But is that number out of 45 of 55 total questions? Because 45 total questions would be weighed a lot more than 55 total questions.
     
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    Let me try again:

    If a question isn't counted, points from it are excluded when calculating the scaled score. This is true for every Praxis test with which I'm acquainted and every Pearson teacher test with which I'm acquainted. It's also true that excluding questions that don't count isn't the only reason that questions and even versions of a test are differentially weighted. Weighting can and does vary from version to version of the same test. That's why any claim that raw score x necessarily correlates to scaled score y should be viewed with skepticism.

    I don't keep notes for either Praxis or Pearson tests in general of the number of questions in a given test that aren't counted, so I can neither confirm nor deny that 45 is the number on which the scaled score for 5169 is based. But I can certainly affirm that, where n is the number of questions in a Praxis selected response test and c is the number of questions that don't count, the number of questions that will count toward the scaled score is nc. The scale will still run from 100 to 200, of course.
     
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    Thank you for your time and replies. I wasn’t trying to be difficult but rather just trying to make sense of the scoring.
     
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    The scoring is indeed complicated, Acamp. Hugs to you. The mapping from raw points to scaled score is not one-to-one - but does it help settle your unsettledness if I point out that a scaled score of 165 isn't on a scale from 0 to 200 but rather on a scale from 100 to 200? That is, it is possible to pass a teacher test with a score that would have been near or at failing on any end-of-course test you've ever taken.
     
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    Good morning!
    I also took your advice and am now using the cliffnotes study book. I took all 3 official ETS practice tests, the 4 REA practice tests, and 2 out of the 3 cliffnotes practice tests. And yes, CN does seem confusing than the other exams - hopefully it helps me on Saturday!

    Question though - if I am getting 28 or more right on all of these practice tests from the books above, is that looking promising for a 157 score or above? Or probably not? Just wanted to know your (or anyone else’s) thoughts on that for scoring.

    Thank you!
     
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    That depends on the 28 and I'm not aware of the reference range. Like most of the books suggest, look at your percentages and compare them to the percentage range a 157 pulls.
     

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