NCLB ...in layman's terms?

Discussion in 'Elementary Education' started by bdp414, Feb 17, 2008.

  1. bdp414

    bdp414 New Member

    Joined:
    Aug 16, 2007
    Messages:
    2
    Likes Received:
    0

    Feb 17, 2008

    Can anyone explain this to me in laymans terms?
     
  2.  
  3. Irishdave

    Irishdave Enthusiast

    Joined:
    Apr 29, 2007
    Messages:
    2,007
    Likes Received:
    12

    Feb 17, 2008

    I can't without heart medicine
     
  4. SmartCookie

    SmartCookie Comrade

    Joined:
    Aug 6, 2005
    Messages:
    261
    Likes Received:
    0

    Feb 17, 2008

    NCLB is a huge education act. What part do you want clarity on? Maybe if I knew your purpose I could best provide you info.
     
  5. TeacherShelly

    TeacherShelly Aficionado

    Joined:
    Oct 9, 2006
    Messages:
    3,565
    Likes Received:
    0

    Feb 17, 2008

    NCLB is federal legislation requiring all public schools to demonstrate progress according to a predetermined formula and measured by student performance on standardized tests. Failure to meet the required progress levels result in increasing levels of intervention by the government.

    In a nutshell.
     
  6. SmartCookie

    SmartCookie Comrade

    Joined:
    Aug 6, 2005
    Messages:
    261
    Likes Received:
    0

    Feb 17, 2008

    That is a good description of the API (Academic Performance Index) component of NCLB. However, teacher quality is also a big component.
     
  7. TXTCHR29

    TXTCHR29 Cohort

    Joined:
    Feb 18, 2006
    Messages:
    538
    Likes Received:
    0
  8. Irishdave

    Irishdave Enthusiast

    Joined:
    Apr 29, 2007
    Messages:
    2,007
    Likes Received:
    12

    Feb 17, 2008

    IN theory that is what it is but it is implemented many ways and without proper funding
    Thank you TeacherShelly
     
  9. KinderCowgirl

    KinderCowgirl Phenom

    Joined:
    Apr 1, 2006
    Messages:
    4,858
    Likes Received:
    0

    Feb 17, 2008

    One goal of the legislation is to have EVERY child testing at a proficient level by the year 2014.
     
  10. Irishdave

    Irishdave Enthusiast

    Joined:
    Apr 29, 2007
    Messages:
    2,007
    Likes Received:
    12

    Feb 17, 2008

    if a child does not test at a proficient level the blame is on the teacher/school no matter the reason, LD, ELL, SpEd, Moving from school to school. family influence, etc.

    Thats the rub, every child, is that an attainable goal?

     
  11. Master Pre-K

    Master Pre-K Virtuoso

    Joined:
    May 18, 2007
    Messages:
    6,291
    Likes Received:
    283

    Feb 17, 2008

    no teacher left without a job

    a corporate america attempt to standardize the school system (even though there are no 'standard' kids) and deprive teachers from the art of educating, and thereby force them to school them thru specific, teacher-directed curricululms and a battery of high-stakes tests that will utlimately identify those who fail, and seek out the teachers as the reason behind the failure, which will then cause the school to lose funding until they make annual yearly progress, and if they don't they run the risk of the entire school being reorganized (i.e. = out of a job), and a business (i.e. = charter school takes over)

    everyone from Infant-toddler programs , preschool to high school has been affected by this illness. Nobody will be left unscaffed. we must all work harder, do more, test more, and prove assessments, and also become NCLB qualified to make sure we are not failing. that requires us to take more tests, to make sure we can test our kids.

    how's that?
     
  12. Master Pre-K

    Master Pre-K Virtuoso

    Joined:
    May 18, 2007
    Messages:
    6,291
    Likes Received:
    283

    Feb 17, 2008

    I started that! I am also responsible for several threads on this topic! One of my recent grad school papers discusses the issue of NCLB forcing preschool to change from its origin of creating socialization opportunities to that of preparing children for academic readiness.

    S. Meisels, Erikson Institute states that testing of young children is not reliable. Everyone who studied Piaget will tell you concrete operation stage does not start until after age 7.

    so, fighting NCLB's attempt towards pushing down the curriculum to make pre-k kids 'ready' for higher grades has been my personal battle!
     
  13. Irishdave

    Irishdave Enthusiast

    Joined:
    Apr 29, 2007
    Messages:
    2,007
    Likes Received:
    12

    Feb 17, 2008

    Great but the Title of your "Paper" I fixed it
     
  14. Irishdave

    Irishdave Enthusiast

    Joined:
    Apr 29, 2007
    Messages:
    2,007
    Likes Received:
    12

    Feb 17, 2008

  15. Master Pre-K

    Master Pre-K Virtuoso

    Joined:
    May 18, 2007
    Messages:
    6,291
    Likes Received:
    283

    Feb 17, 2008

    Wow! how did I miss that one! Sheesh, that was a big mistake!

    so is NCLB! :lol:
     
  16. Master Pre-K

    Master Pre-K Virtuoso

    Joined:
    May 18, 2007
    Messages:
    6,291
    Likes Received:
    283

    Feb 17, 2008

  17. kindernj123

    kindernj123 Companion

    Joined:
    Mar 27, 2007
    Messages:
    203
    Likes Received:
    0

    Feb 17, 2008

    Keep up the fight!:up:
     
  18. Hoot Owl

    Hoot Owl Aficionado

    Joined:
    Jan 15, 2008
    Messages:
    3,888
    Likes Received:
    0

    Feb 18, 2008

    Briallantly posted.
     
  19. NCLBNUT

    NCLBNUT Rookie

    Joined:
    Jul 20, 2007
    Messages:
    16
    Likes Received:
    0

    Feb 18, 2008

    I think it has something to do with communism

    I think it is one of the things that have changed over the last forty years since the infiltration of communism in our country. Years ago I don't think there was anything like this or a lot of other things going on. I recall thinking back in the 60's and 70's how it seemed as if huge corporations might be getting foreign help to make it seem as if they were evil. That is what I thought as I was trying to figure out what was going on.
    Now that the country is what it is, I think it is best to have all this stuff. So I guess I have been forced to change also.
     
  20. corps2005

    corps2005 Cohort

    Joined:
    Jul 15, 2006
    Messages:
    706
    Likes Received:
    0

    Feb 18, 2008

  21. blue-eyed mom

    blue-eyed mom Companion

    Joined:
    Nov 10, 2007
    Messages:
    118
    Likes Received:
    0

    Feb 18, 2008

    NO CHILD LEFT BEHIND—The Football Version

    1. All teams must make the state playoffs and all MUST win the championship.
    If a team does not win the championship, they will be on probation until
    they are the champions, and coaches will be held accountable. If after two
    years they have not won the championship their footballs and equipment will
    be taken away UNTIL they do win the championship.

    2. All kids will be expected to have the same football skills at the same time
    even if they do not have the same conditions or opportunities to practice on
    their own. NO exceptions will be made for lack of interest in football, a
    desire to perform athletically, or genetic abilities or disabilities of themselves or their parents.
    ALL KIDS WILL PLAY FOOTBALL AT A PROFICIENT LEVEL!

    3. Talented players will be asked to workout on their own, without
    instruction. This is because the coaches will be using all their
    instructional time with the athletes who aren’t interested in football, have
    limited athletic ability or whose parents don’t like football.

    4. Games will be played year round, but statistics will only be kept in the
    4th, 8th, and 11th game. It will create a New Age of Sports where every
    school is expected to have the same level of talent and all teams will reach
    the same minimum goals. If no child gets ahead, then no child gets left behind.
    If parents do not like this new law, they are encouraged to vote for vouchers
    and support private schools that can screen out the non-athletes and prevent
    their children from having to go to school with bad football players.

     
  22. smalltowngal

    smalltowngal Multitudinous

    Joined:
    Jan 2, 2007
    Messages:
    17,362
    Likes Received:
    46

    Feb 18, 2008

    MPK, that's a perfect way to explain it.

    blue-eyedmom, I love the football analogy!
     
  23. Irishdave

    Irishdave Enthusiast

    Joined:
    Apr 29, 2007
    Messages:
    2,007
    Likes Received:
    12

    Feb 18, 2008

    Ok, bdp414, Have you got your answer(s)?
     
  24. Master Pre-K

    Master Pre-K Virtuoso

    Joined:
    May 18, 2007
    Messages:
    6,291
    Likes Received:
    283

    Feb 19, 2008

    NCLB - Preschool Style

    Original Quote:
    Originally Posted by jerseygirl

    Hey everyone
    I was just hired as a the new teacher in a preschool classroom and have recieved very little info. I am just kind of being thrown in there. I do have alot of experience but don't know how this specific classroom runs or anything abt the program they use. I am relying on the aides in the classroom to show me the ropes of the classroom. I think as the new person you have to be open to the people that have been there for the whole year. They know the kids best and you can learn from them!


    My response:

    I could write a book on this! I think for the most part, many ECE folks like quality, developmentally appropriate programs, and want to be success teachers. However, other folks like preschool, but crave the hours, calendar, salary and structure of the elementary school setting. That being said, they may dip their toes in the water, but quickly jump out (or are kicked out) when they realize aides have been their longer, and are not always open (that is, willing to change) or interested in having somebody else take over!! So you have this revolving door, if you will. You could be the 3rd teacher this year! Also, with NCLB, many programs are now requiring a certified teacher on board, and many veteran teachers and aides do not or cannot go back to school, so they are forced to have somebody new in their room. And that, my friends, will tick anybody off!

    By the way...the public school preschool programs are now forced to do so many dittos, handwriting pages, Open Court Reading for Pre-K, and Saxon Math, that it looks like 1st grade! So, the same preschool teachers who left the child care centers ending up running out screaming from public school too!

    So, I have a choice. Be a preschool teacher in public school, which is really a 1st grade teacher, and deal with all the academics to get them prepared, and risk heavy punishment when I don't. Or, be a preschool teacher in the child care centers, and since I have license anyway..and the veteran teachers won't like me, because they think I think I am so darn smart, so they will isolate me, and the director really doesn't want me to do anything...just a staff person on paper. In otherwords, my certificate assures the site they will get federal/state funding.

    An ethical dilemma if ever I saw one...

    Do I want to be happy, or do I want to eat?

    :(:unsure:
     
  25. MissFrizzle

    MissFrizzle Virtuoso

    Joined:
    Mar 10, 2006
    Messages:
    6,439
    Likes Received:
    0

    Feb 19, 2008

    in simple terms.


    Teacher must be able to not only teach, but also be responsible for the amount of effort that each child puts into learning. If the kids fail the teacher is a failure.
     
  26. shouldbeasleep

    shouldbeasleep Enthusiast

    Joined:
    Jul 28, 2007
    Messages:
    2,233
    Likes Received:
    0

    Feb 23, 2008

    QUOTE=Master Pre-K;567033]no teacher left without a job

    a corporate america attempt to standardize the school system (even though there are no 'standard' kids) and deprive teachers from the art of educating, and thereby force them to school them thru specific, teacher-directed curricululms and a battery of high-stakes tests that will utlimately identify those who fail, and seek out the teachers as the reason behind the failure, which will then cause the school to lose funding until they make annual yearly progress, and if they don't they run the risk of the entire school being reorganized (i.e. = out of a job), and a business (i.e. = charter school takes over)

    everyone from Infant-toddler programs , preschool to high school has been affected by this illness. Nobody will be left unscaffed. we must all work harder, do more, test more, and prove assessments, and also become NCLB qualified to make sure we are not failing. that requires us to take more tests, to make sure we can test our kids.

    how's that?[/
    QUOTE]

    :lol: Oh my goodness! I hadn't thought of it as a big business conspiracy! Maybe it is... the testing companies probably have lobbyists!...Holy smokes! Think about how much money they are making. I need to buy stock, make some money off my pain. Seriously. There's the student tests for every child in America over the age of six, manuals for every teacher, reports, booklets for how to bring up the scores, resource books,.....I THOUGHT IT WAS A GOVERNMENT CONSPIRACY CREATED BY FORMER POOR AND FAILING STUDENTS WHO WERE PUNISHING TEACHERS FOR THEIR HUMILIATING EDUCATIONAL YEARS!!!! It's a conspiracy created by the test publishing companies!!!
     
  27. Master Pre-K

    Master Pre-K Virtuoso

    Joined:
    May 18, 2007
    Messages:
    6,291
    Likes Received:
    283

    Feb 24, 2008

    we should all have stock in Scholastic, Peterson, Prentice-Hall, Saxon Math, Silver Burdett, and the Educational Testing System. Those folks make millions. I am seriously going to look up some of these sites for dividend reinvestment plans!

    Publishers get bids from larger school districts, who can afford to get the best, most expensive textbooks, which dictate what curriculum is taught. Everyone else kinda falls in line like dominos.

    Accountability...what is the root word here?

    account

    somebody...a bean counter, wants to make sure there are positive results.

    schools are not supposed to fail kids..ever.

    hmmm..I guess teacher's aren't supposed to get sick either. Mom's don't make mistakes? Dad's don't cry? We are all perfect? All kids will pass each grade level, at the correct age?

    Push them along, show evidence of meeting goals. Otherwise - no progress, no pay(funding). That's where AYP comes from. Annual yearly progress.

    NCLB means..

    we are not brain builders
    we are brain fillers

    how many brains did you fill this week?

    Or like Sully of Monsters Inc., how many kids did you scare this week?

    :unsure:
     
  28. going2rdabk

    going2rdabk New Member

    Joined:
    Mar 20, 2008
    Messages:
    2
    Likes Received:
    0

    Mar 24, 2008

    This is the part I don't get. Research says ELLs will take from 5 to 7 years to be at grade level - some of that depending on when they enter US schools. So, no, it isn't attainable. We are being asked to work toward an unattainable goal, and will be blamed for not reaching it. I'm feeling like Rapunzel. It doesn't do much for moral.
     

Share This Page

Members Online Now

Total: 430 (members: 1, guests: 409, robots: 20)
test