Discussion in 'Teacher Time Out' started by NewTeacher2016, Sep 30, 2018.
Sep 30, 2018
Two of my friends gave up teaching last year. Neither regrets the decision. One had taught under 10 years and one under 15 years. Hope you enjoy your new career.
What made you go into teaching?
Y'know, after having a horrible last year and talking about how much I love my new school (and I do), I still have these thoughts about leaving the career sooner rather than later. Not run-away thoughts, but definitely along the lines of "What else is out there?"
We’re you teaching in a parochial school?
Congrats you all! I may be in the same boat next year. I love teaching but maybe want to see what else is out there too!
Oct 2, 2018
I can think of no greater impact than teaching
Agreed, and not in a snarky kind of way. A good teacher can impact many generations to come.
I don't think that teachers should be expected to "save the world" in any manner - it's an unrealistic expectation. But you do impact a lot of lives.
There are plenty of other professions that you could say the same about. A medical researcher, working on a malaria vaccine, has the opportunity to affect millions of lives as well. Most highly effective professionals have a story about a good teacher who helped them or inspired them along the way. And all in all, it's better to find a job that you love where you can be impactful in your own way than to stay in one you don't love.
Congratulations, OP, on your new ventures! It's nice you've been able to experience teaching and also nice you're able to try other things as well. I hope as you move into your next career you'll be able to continue being an advocate for education (it sounds like this got you into teaching in the first place).
Oct 6, 2018
Good for you and I wish you success with your career change!
Might I inquire what the new career will be? I plan to eventually go into administration and then work at the county district-office level. I’d like it be something involving STEM Leadership.
I’m so excited for you!
Nice! How did you get into that?
FMP what do you mean by county-district office? Like a school district office or something else?
Well, congratulations! What are you duties going to be? And I hope they offer you great benefits and a six-figure salary!!!
I may not be using the correct terminology, but I would like to work at a school district (in a county some place) where I could be a director for a district-wide STEM program, if that makes sense.
If you or anyone know what the correct job title is, then please feel free to let me know what it is! I’d like to do some research to see what said job qualifications are.
Here, this type of position would require extensive experience, typically within the district. Teaching across a variety of grade levels would also be expected.
I wish to oversee primarily middle through high school STEM students. Is there a program for these age groups or is it just across *all* grade levels, so including elementary?
And thank you for your response!
I'm just confused because (unless I'm mixing you up with another poster) you are often discussing how you think the private system is better public system, so I don't understand why you would want to work in a District position? District positions require that you believe in and advocate for the system. Moreover, I've never heard of someone getting a District job without working as a classroom teacher in the District first. Haven't you said you don't see yourself leaving your private school?
Oct 7, 2018
I think this varies greatly from area to area. In my district, and districts around us, there are Curriculum Directors, who have classroom experience and who have also been principals.
You are correct in that I think *my* private school is better, but I can’t say anything about other private schools. With that said, I said a few times if I found the right opportunity that pays well enough, I might consider taking an admin position elsewhere. Does that make sense?
Honestly, it doesn't make sense to me at all. We need people in public education who believe in public education and working for a system one doesn't believe in just because it pays well enough doesn't make sense to me at all.
I've also never heard of anyone getting a District job (teacher or P/VP job) without working in a school in the District first.
People work at jobs for the money all the time. For instance, I have a few doctor friends that went into medicine just so they can make $10,000+ a month. And they still are great doctors and care for their patients, but their primary motivation is money.
That is not new. Not everyone does it just for the job. I’m doing it for the job AND the money.
Second, in order to keep my hypothetical job at the district office, I would have to do a satisfactory job and so I would be very keen about doing the best I possibly could as an employee to stay hired.
Concerning your last point, I’ve read about a number of instances where districts hired out for people who did not work in the district previously. It can happen. Though it does not in your area, it can happen elsewhere.
Finally, I absolutely love my school and teaching, but if I found a job that offered better benefits and a much higher salary, then I would take it. We all have different preferences and that’s okay.
Absolutely Districts hire people from outside, but it is very rare that people from outside get hired into central (District) positions and I have honestly never heard of someone who has never worked in the public system being hired into a District (Central) role.
I do often hear of Superintendents with experience as Principals in public systems often get hired as Superintendents in other Districts.
I think if you want to work in a District role, you need to start looking for jobs in a District within a school - either as a teacher or as a VP.
I would be really curious to hear specific examples of situations where people in public systems have seen this specific combination happen: a private school teacher hired directly (with no public school experience) into a Central role in a District.
If I remember correctly you are in California? I'd love to hear YTG's experience with this as someone who has expressed interest in a District role and has (I think) more than 5 years experience as a VP?
So should I apply first as a VP and then work my way up from there?
I was planning on getting an Ed.S or Ed.D in STEM Leadership by the time I’m 30 and then apply for district jobs. Does that seem sensible or should I first work as a VP first? Would I need to be a P after and then apply for a district office job?
Honestly, I don't know any public school that would hire someone straight into a VP job out of a private school either. In my experience, you need public school teaching experience for any of those roles: VP, District, etc.
So in my experience, you would need to become a public school teacher first. Then, depending on if District positions are teaching positions or administrative positions, you would either apply to a District position (teaching) or apply to a VP position and then apply to a District position (VP District) or then apply to a Principal position and then a District position (P District)
If you want a comprehensive answer, your posts point to a lack of understanding of how the public system works, so if I was on the hiring team I wouldn't feel comfortable putting you in a leadership position without some public classroom experience first.
However, you keep posting about how you are going to do x, y and z and how I don't know your region, so if private school teachers in your region are getting hired into VP jobs in public schools, have at it. Where I am, doing that would lead the hiring team to see you as too confident/arrogant and you'd never get interviewed for any job ever again. Where I am, you have to transfer laterally first. But you keep saying my region is different from yours. You know your region.
I feel pretty confident that in no region does a private school teacher get hired into a District job because District jobs have a ton of qualified, internal applicants and no sane District would hire externally into that role. I've actually only seen one example of a role below Superintendent at the District level get hired externally and that was by a person with 15 years teaching experience in the public system who had an extremely special skill set.
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