Discussion in 'General Education' started by blazer, Apr 14, 2018.
Apr 14, 2018
Wow! A 20%, that’s crazy! I only am getting a little over a 9% raise this year ($5,000 increase). However, it doesn’t say how the governor of Arizona is going to fund it and no new legislation has been put forward, according to the article.
With that said, this is absolutely fantastic for Arizona teachers! I hope that the governor follows through and passes a bill that will give teachers the salary increases they truly deserve.
I wonder what a certain user on here — who is studying to be a reading specialist in NY — has to say about this. And right after he left...
A 20% raise in Arizona still wouldn't get me close to what I'm currently earning. I'll go ahead and say oh heck no to that.
That's putting aside the fact that raising teacher salaries without also increasing funding for things like classroom materials and building upkeep will do exactly nothing.
I’m curious, what do you currently make?
20% is the total for over 3 years. The average then would be about 6.7%/ year. A very good raise, but just want to make sure the facts are more accurate.
This is interesting, family is considering moving to AZ in five years or so.....
My base salary is $66k, before adding in about $10k from various other optional commitments (mentoring, ESY, summer curriculum, etc).
Apr 15, 2018
Nice! How many years have you been teaching?
Thanks for the clarification! I thought 20% seemed pretty steep and untenable, to be honest.
This is year number 9, with MA+30.
Arizona is one of those states that slashed and burned its education budget after the Great Recession. Here are some old stats. So, even though the 20% raise over 3 years sounds great, it looks more like finally trying to get back to pre-recession.
> Pct. chg. per pupil spending (FY08-FY15): -17.5%
> FY15 per pupil spending: $3,114 (6th lowest)
> Decline in per pupil spending (FY08-FY15): $663 (10th largest)
> Adults with bachelor's degree: 27.4% (22nd lowest)
Wow! That is not great, now that you put it...
Apr 16, 2018
Even with the raises they're slated to get, they're still grossly underpaid.
My cousin works as an AP in Phoenix (with much more experience than I possess) and earns nearly 50k less than I do. Taking a look at their teacher salary in that same district, I'm appalled: https://phxschools.org/wp-content/u...dule-2017-2018-Certified-Teacher-Stepless.pdf
Husband is considering moving to Arizona because his field pays pretty well there. But what about me?
Though I confess I am a desert girl anyway...
Whoa! I already make more as a 7th year teacher than the MAXIMUM a teacher could make at my level in Phoenix. Gross.
Their minimum max (?) is the new starting in my state.
Like all those lazy, money-hungry doctors and lawyers and engineers who only go into their careers for the money.
(To note, all the doctors/lawyers my age I know are dirt poor living in tiny apartments trying to pay off student loans).
I’m merely speculating, but could they be primary care physicians/pediatricians/public defenders, because all of the medical doctors/lawyers I know make 200k-300k, on average. The aforementioned doctors/lawyers might have what I call “lifestyle creep.” This means that they have been living like a college student so long that they started living lavishly the moment they made a decent salary and now live outside their means. Hence, they struggle month to month to make ends meet.
How is the cost of living in AZ? Those salaries looked like rural Ohio salaries, to be honest.
I've never had a union in Ohio, I've worked for ESCs or Head Start, as a teacher, and have always been at the tender mercies of my admin. So, that's not a deal breaker.
Really, the only reason I'm looking is because my folks are talking about retiring out there in a few years, and my sister is thinking about making the move too. No way am I staying in Snow-hio alone.
My cousin bought his house about 3-4 years ago, I believe, and paid over 300k. It's a modest house, in my opinion. If he would've gotten something in a more upscale neighborhood, he would've paid a lot more (I think he regrets purchasing in the area where he bought his home).
I don't know about other areas of AZ, but I know that Phoenix is pretty comparable to my area of CA in terms of cost of living.
Oh, they make plenty of money as far as I have been made aware. But they include a lot of very self-sufficient-type people who make paying off student a debt a huge priority. So, yeah, they live in tiny apartments for a while until they have a more reasonable amount left. It's not really life-style creep, just "holy moly, I owe somebody a lot of money and I'm give them most of my paycheck to get that out of the way".
Understood. I agree with their plans and did something similar when I graduated back in June 2014 as an undergrad. I lived minimally until all of my student loans were paid off. It sucked because even though I only made $3,000 a month after taxes I still threw $1,800 at my loans every month. I had to force myself not to buy things and to do fun stuff — the end result was more important. For example, if I saw a nice pair of shoes I wanted or something else I wanted really badly I would immediately log on to my loan provider on my phone and make another payment. This prevented me from buying it as the money was no longer there to tempt me.
It was depressing because I didn’t get to do a whole lot for 10 months besides working, eating, and sleeping, but I was elated every time I saw my principal drop rapidly. I did this because I wanted to see zeros so badly, and so much so that when I finally submitted that last payment I danced around the room and whooped loudly. Then, I bought that pair of shoes I really wanted next pay period!
I now make a lot more than I did then, and so I treat myself at least a few times a month to something nice, but only after overpaying my bills. And speaking of paying bills, I just tallied up all of the debts I’ve paid off since June 2014, and it amounts to a little over $70,000. And this is in just a little less than 4 years! Now I owe just $6,800 on my car and once that’s done I’m free!!! $3,000 this month alone already for just my car. Curses! I could have gone on vacation over Spring Break with that, but NO, I had responsibilities.
Holy cow! They have a ton of openings.
That’s sad that they can’t retain teachers. That says something about the educational system there.
Apr 17, 2018
Oatman is very nice. Kingman not so much.
Apr 21, 2018
We left AZ a couple years ago. I was making 32,000 in my 7th year. We had fewer specials each year because those teachers were laid off. My roof leaked every time it rained. I think 5 or 6 out of the 7 years my air conditioning was broken in August’s 100+ temps.
A 20% raise might get teachers to what some neighboring states pay. Salaries where I am now (a different southwestern state) are $15,000+ higher, and our cost of living is a bit lower.
Apr 22, 2018
That’s horrible. I made $40,000 starting with zero years experience and a Masters + 15. I currently make $55,000 (currently finishing up 4th year and will get a $5,000/yr raise) and next year I will make $60,000! I’m super excited.
But if they live a town with next to nothing, then are they really living like kings and queens?
I totally understand your situation. I, also, came from humble beginnings and so I relate to your situation. My parents both worked minimum wage jobs and barely made it every month and I observed the lifestyles my teachers had in my teens. That was the motivation behind my pursuing teaching, also. Now, I live comfortably, am financially stable, am close to buying a home, and only have my car loan left ($6,800).
Not to mention, the tons of paid time off and time off that comes with teaching is definitely worth it to me. I don’t even feel like I work some days because it is so easy for me. I am counting down the days to summer break for me — 39 days left! And the money’s not too shabby, either!
I can’t wait until I make 80’s and up just from teaching, and with tutoring (just raised my rates to $80/hr) factored into the equation, as well, I’ll be able to go on vacations multiple times a year. I’m being honest when I say I’m in this long term for the money. I’m glad that you are honest, also.
I've never seen any raise rates as much as you. Don't the clients get pissed at all the changes? You were charging almost half of that almost half a year ago.... (I still charge $10 more, but I've only raised rates once in 6 years, and only for new clients.)