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  1. SCTeachInTX

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    For some folks moving is just not an option if they have a spouse or children or even family keeping them in an area. But for those that CAN move, that are willing to give this a try, I would say GO FOR IT! North Louisiana needs teachers and if you have a calling and are able to do it, then at least try for something that will gain you some invaluable experience. :)
     
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    Utah needs teachers too. In my district (mid year) we needed a 6th grade teacher and a SPED teacher. 3 people applied.
     
  3. KinderCowgirl

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    The more I hear, the more I lose my optimism. We are closing many admin positions-AP jobs, magnet coordinators, professional development trainers, curriculum specialists-all those people will be given the option to go back in the classroom. Our school budget was literally cut in 1/2-right now we're looking at cutting about 10 teachers. The district will do their best to place them in other schools, but I just don't foresee many actual openings. It's really scary out there right now.
     
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    kindercowgirl, that is exactly my point. I am not trying to scare people or be the pessimist. I have a job (hopefully that continues ;0) So I am not out competing.

    I would hate to see someone move all the way here in the hopes of getting a job - at least I want to help warn or prepare them for what to expect. I believe that gives more help than continually being "optimistic" and saying of course there will be hiring.

    My district isn't one of the district that used stimulus $$ to hire people so we are in better shape than most in Texas right now. And we are still having problems. We were informed that NO ONE from the outside will be hired indefinitely at this point. Any position vacated will simply go away and the ones that are left with a job will have to take over the extra burden. We also have
    teachers in different position that will eventually lose their position and will be given the choice to return to the classroom - thereby ousting newer teachers.

    This is just reality right now in Texas.

    I encourage you to go to ISD websites like (Houston, San Antonio, Austin, Dallas, Plano,Abilene, El Paso) -literally All over the state. You will see what each district is planning to do in response to millions per district budget cuts.

    It's not a maybe - it is upon us. It's a time to buckle down and get through it. Be thankful if you have a job. If you are looking no don't give up hope, but be prepare for what is coming.
     
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    I have two cousins that teach in Texas. One in Perryton and one in Houston. They have been getting the same message. One of my cousins believes it's going to be really bad...my other cousin in Houston thinks it's bad but that a lot of it is hype to get the legislature not to cut funding. This year in Utah I am working with teacher's from Ohio, Wisconsin, Florida, and one from Alaska. Only the Alaska teacher moved for family reasons. The other's because they couldn't find a job. I still say if you want to be a teacher...go for it but have a back up plan!! My master's is MBA..I was a career changer and know first hand the importance of having a back up plan.
     
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    I think the point the "pessimistic" people are making is that whether or not you, as an individual, get a job or not... there is a large legion of folks out there for scant numbers of positions. That's the point. This really should never be the case.

    You have good, qualified, hard-working, and desirous people... who aren't looking to make it rich or anything glamorous like that... and they can't find work? In a time (Recession) when we need to make the best use of resource--what a tremendous waste, to have/force all this type of people and have them sit and wait idly by.
     
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    I don't necessairly really believe the economy is down. For SOME REASON I think it is being controlled by some politicians. I think it is to help the street - smart types who learned how to get what they want and use people - the social geniuses that cheated in school, etc. I dare say they might be the ones who "love," who "care," etc.
     
  9. SCTeachInTX

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    John: You are right. You can not sit idly by and hope the opportunity will knock at your door. You have to be proactive and MAKE it happen. How do you do that?
    * Volunteer in schools
    * Substitute teach
    * Check out Private Schools
    * Send resumes, brochures
    * Hand deliver resumes and cover letters

    Stay in the game and help yourself get noticed in these tough economic times. The job is yours if you treat yourself like a hot commodity that schools just cannot do without.

    Believe in yourself. And it's perfectly fine to add your teaching request in with your prayers each day. I would add myself to a prayer chain. Believe it!
     
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    We were given the bleak news at a staff meeting a while back. The gist is that the district will look at personnel that has retired & come back first & they issue a letter where they are offering $200 for teachers that know they won't be back next year & submit notice this month. This way it will minimize laying off teachers. Also, they are looking into combining some positions that are for supporting staff.

    On the state level, there's a rumor that they are contemplating doing away with Pearson - the people that generate the state test. This would save the state millions if not more. I had no idea it cost so much to produce state test. Though, this begs the question who's going to take over the mandated state testing? Don't know how true this is but it came from admin.

    They told us not to worry & to let admin deal with it.
     
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    I guess that is exactly the problem that I have in all this. The whole mentality of, "Don't worry about it and let admin. deal with it," is just ridiculous. OF COURSE, we are going to worry about it. OF COURSE, we are going to stress about it. And I think telling us not to worry is an absolute stupid idea. Ever hear of the line of thought that none of us is as smart as ALL of us? If we could come up with workable solutions to making this work, it might make things a whole lot more easier to swallow than mandating that "this is the way it is going to be." :mad:

    I don't know about you, but I WANT to be part of the solution and not told that the admin. will handle things. At least keep me informed when things are being discussed that may directly affect me. I want to be a part of this process. You know?:confused:
     
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    This is a surprising thread to me...I had no idea the situation in TX was good until this year!

    I am in a K-8 teaching credential/master's program in California. Sometimes I wonder if I am completely crazy. Where I am, class sizes are gigantic (30 students in K-3, 34 in 4th-6th) and every extra thing possible has been cut. My mom, who is a 4th grade teacher in a different part of the state, has received a pink slip 4 years in a row, though she has always managed to keep her job. She anticipates being pink slipped again this year, since her district is cutting the budget AGAIN. At the school where I worked as an after school program teacher, several of the classroom teachers were pink slipped in 2009 and again 2010, and didn't find out until later in the summer that they would still have jobs.

    Basically, the situation in California is absolutely abysmal. I honestly do not know how it can get any worse. I am sorry to hear that Texas is heading down this road as well.

    Sometimes I try to be hopeful, but most of the time I wonder what I was thinking. I hope I do not have to wait it out for years and years and years to finally be in my dream job. Teaching is my passion; I cannot imagine doing anything else.

    I've tried to get as much experience as I can - I worked in day camps and after school programs all through college, and right now I'm going through the paperwork to sub in a few different districts on the days I have off from classes. I've also considered moving out of state, since I keep thinking that it cannot POSSIBLY be as bad in other states as it is here! But it is beginning to seem as if nothing I do will make any difference!

    This is really just a terrible time. Maybe I should have gone to school for something else, but this is all I want to do!! :(
     
  13. Mrs. K.

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    Yellowdaisies, welcome to the boards. You are right about CA--in my high school, class sizes average 38, and during first semester I had one of 42. The bad news is that you might, indeed have to wait to land your dream job, and when you get it, it might not be much of a dream! The good news is that you're doing all the right things by getting education-related experience that will make you a more attractive candidate when things improve. Even with staff reductions over the past couple of years, we've still had a few new teachers--someone moves unexpectedly, or is offered an administrative position if they have that credential. Hang in there!
     
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    I feel the same way. It took a while for me to figure out where I needed to be. Just looks like my timing was off. :(
     
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    One of the big districts near me just posted their budget cuts for 2011-2012. Tons of layoffs, and up to 780 teachers. :eek:
     
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    New teachers also got to remember that Charter and Private schools are not as effected on this whole thing and will still be looking for teachers. (Personally I think there will be a rise on private schools in some areas). I would look into some of those options.
     
  17. KinderCowgirl

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    Our district site literally says we're facing budget shortfalls that we haven't seen since WW II !

    Private schools are fine, but it's a much lower salary (about $28,000 here compared to starting at $42, 000 with the district, and often no benefits.
     
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    A.) It's a job
    B.) For someone in my position that is in the process of looking for her "intern" position for alt. cert. (career changer)... I will take it.
     
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    Teachling - I'm sorry Texas is going the same way we are...most of those cuts sound like things that have already happened in CA..at least where I am! Except for 5th/6th grade band (which I see is just proposed)...they're holding onto that by a thread around here, but there's usually one teacher for at least 5 schools. Class size reduction is DEFINITELY gone though, which I think is potentially the worst cut they've made here.

    And as for private school, I absolutely plan to apply to every private school I can when I graduate - you can't live on the salary here, but hey, I'll take it! I am not single, though, so I can understand that not everyone would even have that option. And anyway, I've heard that private school jobs are almost as hard to come by as public school jobs around here. It won't keep me from trying, but I'm not holding my breath. :(
     
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    Wow, Teachling. I heard something on the news from AISD, but didn't know it was that bad. I'm sure a lot of the bigger districts like AISD will be doing similar things. For a small town school district like mine, I'm not sure what we'll be able to do. Luckily we have a surplus this year, but with the education cuts to the state budget, we'll be in a deficit next year.

    I had forgotten about private schools. I might have to look into that for next year as well. Right now I'm just getting some backup plans together. Do private schools pay into the state retirement?
     
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    A job that pays $28,000 is a job, but it's not really ideal for a lot of people, especially people used to earning more than that.

    Imagine that you bought a modest house based on an income of $42,000. You'd be bringing home around $3,000 every month after taxes. Your house payment of $1000 will be right at the "30%" rule, still leaving you plenty of money for your other bills.

    If your pay were to get cut to $28,000, now you'd be bringing home around $2,000 per month. Your house payment would remain the same at $1,000, which means that half your monthly income would go to your mortgage. That doesn't leave a lot of extra room for other bills, even if you live frugally and save modestly. And if you live in an expensive city? Forget it.

    Let's also not forget how much teachers work. Making $28,000 per year equates to maybe $15 per hour, which you could make changing tires at an auto shop. Given the fact that we need advanced degrees, continuing education, etc., that hardly seems like fair compensation.

    I work hard and try to be a good teacher. I feel like my work is worth more than that.
     
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    I rent a room for $250 a month (thanks to ending a relationship and letting him keep the place). It works for me. Plus, if I can finish my "intern" year, my certification would be complete and I could go out of state if needed.

    Now when my student loans kick over next year... this all would be a different story... ugh

    On a plus note, my mom has a principal friend who was asking my mom about me and my certifications. He asked to see my resume. Fingers are crossed.
     
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    It works for you, but it wouldn't work for a lot of people. That's all I'm trying to say.

    Keep us posted about your potential opportunity!
     
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    This is my whole point - districts are hurting worse than most of us can ever remember. Just be aware - this is the state of things in the great state of Texas. It is a sad state of affairs. If there are ANY jobs you will be competing with TONS of other experienced teachers.

    My 8th grade son came home today and said 4 of the teachers in his school got laid off (funny how kids pick up on it). I asked how he knew that. He said, "Oh it's easy they were all crying". The librarian was one and was upset. She told him she wouldn't teach anymore - because she couldn't compete anymore.......SAD
     
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    I am planning on applying to private schools as well. Some pay a lot less, but not all do. I know of some that pay around $38,000-$42,000. Of course these are private schools that have hiring requirements of 3-5 years of teaching, and many graduates of their schools go onto Ivy League universities. So these private schools are going to be very selective of their candidates. I applied last year to a private school like that and was told I was not experienced enough. But for an experienced teacher looking for a job, it might just be a good fit.

    I would gladly take a lower paying private school job(even only making $28,000) over just subbing. That way when a public school job eventually comes along it will show I have classroom teaching experience beyond just subbing and student teaching, and I would be able to establish relationships with colleagues/principal at a private school that could end up being good references. Subbing you don't really establish many references unless you just sub at one school.
     
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    keep in mind - laid off teachers will be competing for those private school jobs out there now.
     
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    Just had ANOTHER budget meeting yesterday. Well, the district keeps saying that jobs are not in trouble yet. However, our Instructional Coaches have already been told that they will be classroom teachers if they want a position. High school teachers HAD two planning periods and will have one like the elementary. We were looking at other ways to cut our budget and unfortunately that will affect children. Some ideas for cutting the budget were good and some would come at a cost to students. It is a shame that we need to be making these kinds of choices. :eek:

    As for jobs, there will still be jobs even with all this and they said as much even though there will be a hiring freeze and you are right, private schools will probably increase in size especially in the more affluent districts. Parents will not want their kids in schools with large class sizes. So there are options. Also for Early Childhood candidates, there will always be positions in Early Childhood daycare settings. :blush: The pay is not as good, but it is a steady income. Just time to do a little rethinking about things you can do in education to keep your experience fresh and still keep a paycheck. We will weather this and next year have a fresh start. After all, we are TEXAS! :hugs:
     
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    So, ok I have not heard back from the principal yet but my step dad talk to him yesterday. They were talking about all the budget cuts. The district of this principal is one of the smaller big districts. He said that for them it is not going to be that bad because the city and community have already started stepping up to provide support. The county has been working to make sure that education does not take big of hit for the future of the children.

    Makes me feel better, not just for my personal jobsearch but for the children. I hope other communities step up and realize how important education is.
     
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    Isn't there a Robin Hood Law in TX where money gets reshuffle if a district has a surplus?
     
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    I don't know Teachling. We are a very small district though.
     
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    I had a talk with my P today, who basically made it seem like a job in TX is awaiting me (as a new elementary school teacher) if I wanted to move there. She mentioned the Fort Worth area, and gave the impression that she thought it was booming. I assume she's got things twisted.
     
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    This excerpt is taken directly from Fort Worth ISD website -

    The FWISD, like many other school districts in Texas, has been wrestling with a legislative mandate that froze revenue at 2005 levels. At the same time, the District has had to reduce fund reserves in order to deal with ever-increasing overhead expenses.

    “Expenditures are exceeding revenues and we can go on for a ways because we have a fund balance,” said Chief Financial Officer Hank Johnson. “But without new revenue sources, we won’t last long.”

    Projecting better interest rates, savings from innovative conservation programs and a positive tax ratification election, Johnson anticipates nearly eliminating the District’s deficit in three years.

    Before achieving that goal, however, FWISD needs to find $7.2 million dollars in efficiencies in the 2010-2011 budget. Areas of focus include overtime, extra duty pay, elimination of vacant positions, contracted services and travel. Additionally, the administration is not recommending an employee pay increase.

    And another big district near forth worth, arlington (laying off 390 teachers thus far) - is in trouble. Literally all the districts are in trouble.

    Arlington -
    390 job cuts recommended for Arlington school district

    School Superintendent Jerry McCullough on Thursday recommended cutting $15.3 million and 390 jobs -- about 5 percent of the district's work force -- from next year's budget if the state sticks to its plan to slash education funding.

    That would include cutting 5 percent across the board from departmental budgets, eliminating the departments of student affairs and drug-free schools, requiring teachers to take on an additional class period and reducing district contributions to employee healthcare plans.

    McCullough, who outlined the reductions to the school board, warned that more cuts would be necessary to address the potential $35 million reduction in state funding to the district.

    Officials said they hope that most employees who lose jobs could be placed in other district positions.
     
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    No denying these are tough times... But it IS Texas. :D We will be back on top before you know it. This state does not function like the rest, I hope.:confused:
     
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    Give it a few years. Dallas/Fort Worth metroplex averages 400 new residences a day. It is a growing metroplex and there will be jobs out there. Just next year or two will be tight.
     
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    John- If a P is telling you that she has openings, GO FOR IT! You never know when a position will open. I would stay in touch and go interview ASAP! All the best of luck! Prove them wrong!:)
     
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    Here is the letter sent home to parents from my kids' school district (thankfully not where I work):

    As many of you know, the state of Texas is facing a significant budget shortfall of up to 28 billion dollars. Some of you have felt the impact of this recession personally and financially already. Unfortunately, X-ISD is not immune to the downturn in our state's economy. It is obvious that most state agencies and school districts will bear the brunt of this financial crisis.

    In light of this information, X -ISD must prepare a budget anticipating up to a 3 million dollar reduction in revenue and grants over the next two years. Significant efforts have been made to minimize the impact on student learning and the classroom. However, there is no easy way to off-set this type of loss. The vast majority of a budget for any school district is allocated to salaries, non-discretionary expenses and fixed costs. Therefore, a reduction in force including all departments, building consolidations, program adjustments and reorganization of job duties are unavoidable. All departments and programs will have to make sacrifices to continue serving our students at the level they deserve.

    One specific cost saving strategy is to consolidate X Childhood Center into X Elementary. Kindergarten and Pre-K will move to X Elementary. Third grade will move from X Elementary to X Intermediate. Ample space is already available for this move. This decision has not been made lightly and has been made with protecting classroom instruction as the primary goal. Additionally, central office and other administration buildings will be closed. These offices will move into the current education center.
     
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    No, she's not telling me there's openings in her district... I'm a teacher in her district--in CA. She has this notion that "they're building new schools everyday, in areas (like Fort Worth) in TX".
     
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    sorry but she is misinformed. Now things for teahers were going good here up until last year. Now all admin are now thinking about those cuts. The districts that were stupid and hired people with the money are doing the most damage (like Dallas, but its not the only one).

    Dallas is looking at laying off 3,100 teachers (and that is after they are letting go of teachers that they informed were temporarily hired with stimulus money. So those extra 3,100 teachers will be out and about up here in the DFW looking and competing for jobs along with teachers who are still trying to get hired or new grads. Arlington has announced 400 lay offs, Plano is laying off and won't say how many. The rest of the schools are saying we're looking at lay offs, but won't yet say how many. Thankfully my district is just in a hiring freeze. Its a mess. Part of the problem is the state not doing the right things with the budget and another part of the problem is school districts who chose to spend stimulus money in stupid ways.

    I certainly cannot nor would I try to change someone's mind about moving here. Texas is an awesome state (although our legislature has something to be desired). Anyways, just please don't come because someone in another state says we're booming with jobs. Misinformed!!


    My district opened a new school last year - and the entire staff came from in-district by moving people around and making aides (certified) teachers.
     
  40. John Lee

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    Yeah I pretty much figured that.

    And that brings up another key issue: While I would love to have an opportunity to have my own room... (given the perilous nature of budgets these days) it's hard to make the commitment to go and uproot yourself, knowing that the rug could be pulled out from under you (based on the budget), and be jobless in a new town.
     
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