Okay, I think it was on here that I read that 4th graders aren't ready for long division--and teaching alternative methods: partial quotients, chunk dividing,etc. is best for them. I am doing partial quotients and chunk dividing next week, but I have literally spent 2 weeks teaching long division and I am about to bash my head into a wall. I've tried everything: breaking things waaaaaayyyy down, manipulatives/hands on/relevant scenarios, songs, dances, modeling after modeling after modeling, and lots and lots of practice. My kids NORMALLY catch on to things fairly quickly--I have EC who mastered regrouping and alternative methods of multiplication with grades 80+. But I feel like long division has been a nightmare for us---I feel like only my AIG and high performing kids have mastered long division. They all know the steps, they know the dance, they can walk me through the problem---but once it gets in their face they always stumble somewhere--forget to bring something down, assume a remainder too soon, forget to put the number up above the "house" so their quotient is missing a digit, get overwhelmed by the size of the dividend and it's like their brain shuts down and they can't remember something obvious--like subtract or multiply to come down. Mainly this is isolated for 4 digit dividends--they can do 2 and 3 digit fairly well. I'm about to have a stroke. I know it's time to move on, but I can't stand it when I have kids who can't master it. What is the typical experience of learning/teaching long division to 4th graders??? Is this NORMAL? Or am I doing something terribly terribly wrong??