Looking like I need a new science credential

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  1. Geologygirl

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    With the NGSS being implemented its looking like my district is leaning toward the 2 implememtation options which would make my geoscience single subject credential no longer enough to teach science in high school. Anyone else in this boat? It just makes me so mad because I am almost in my last trimester of pregnancy and am running out of time to realistically study for and pass another CSET before baby. It also makes me mad to see all the hoops I have jumped through to get here ( preservice, credential program, student teaching, BITSA, gaining tenure) and now I have to teach something else to stay employed in my district. It makes me mad. Anyone else in the same boat with a geoscience credential that is quickly becoming outdated?
     
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    Is there not some sort of grandfather clause that would allow you additional time to get another cert?
     
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    What is it with public schools and all the red tape? It’s ridiculous. You’ve already proven yourself and have a valid teaching credential. You don’t need another one.

    I always imagine a bunch of grumpy old administrators sitting around a table and voting for new teaching requirements to make education seem more rigorous. What’s the point of it all?
     
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    I haven't heard any grumblings about that from teachers in my district so I am not sure what's going on with it here. I do know we are in the process of implementing those standards.

    Side note: One of the reasons I went for math over chemistry (which is what I originally wanted to major in) is I thought it would be too boring doing the same chemistry class year after year (until I was given AP), whereas math gives you the luxury to teach algebra, geometry, precalculus, calculus, statistics, computer science, etc, each of which could change from year to year. My desire to be Heisenberg was trumped by my desire for variety. (Though, as it is, I have been teaching a schedule of all precaculus for the past 3 years, I have taught more variety in the past, and I am sure I will in the future.)
     
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    Oh, for - !

    (Insert here TeacherGroupie considering several alternatives in phraseology and rejecting them all. Aliceacc continues to cast a long and worthy shadow.)

    The Science (Specialized) subtests have been phased out, yes - but Science (Specialized) credentials ARE still being issued through 2020 - and typically the phase-out date for a credential that one already holds is considerably later than the phase-out date for qualifying for a brand-new one.

    Unless you're in a private school - and possibly even if you are, depending on whether you're a member - please get in touch with your union steward and ask what your options are. You will get a set of answers having to do with your employment, and you need them.

    In addition, please make an appointment with the credential analysts at your COE. Waddle in and ask what your options are. You will get a different set of answers; if the district or the county is hard up enough for general-science teachers to be railroading you, one or both are hard up enough for qualified science teachers to work with you on this.

    (For the record, geologygirl, I am not a betting TeacherGroupie - but if I were, and given the nature of your postings on science and teaching here on A to Z, if someone offered to bet against your passing CSET Science 215, I'd take the other side and expect to chortle all the way to the bank.)
     
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    That’s what we do in America. If the test is too “hard” we say it discriminates against minorities, we dumb down the test, and/or we eliminate it outright. Didn’t you know? :rolleyes:
     
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    Good thinking! If you have 3-4 certifications and two are in high demand areas, then you will surely keep your job even if some teaching positions get eliminated. Spanish teachers and Literacy teachers are really hard to come by, so I think you’re good.

    What is the fourth certification?
     
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    I was being sarcastic. I’ve heard this said countless times in these forums.
     
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    I'm confused. What would be required to teach science in your high school then?
     
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    General science plus area of specialization, I'd guess, like your credential. In other words, it seems that her district is jumping the gun on mothballing the Science (Specialized) credential that Geologygirl currently holds.
     
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    My district is pretty strict about only teaching what you are certified for.
     
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    Its not specialized its the regular geoscience credential. With the new standards your district has to decide which way they want to implement them in high school. They could keep it as 4 seperate classes as now, completly integrated, or bio, chem, and physics and just teach the geoscience standards associated with those classes. The last seems to be how people are leaning so far in my district, but a final decision has not been made ( They plan to know by May). I just realy dont want to be on my maternity leave and then find out I need to take another CSET. One of our union reps told me today they would probably move me to middle school if they go with the 3 class plan, but I am not super fond of 7th and 8th grade.
     
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    Biology chemestry or physics.
     
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    Wow, they’re basically demoting you. Nothing like adding insult to injury. I’ll never make sense of the idea that you can go from being highly qualified to unqualified just because a school district enacts a policy change. So I guess they’re saying all those years you taught those high school science courses that your students weren’t being taught correctly. :rolleyes:
     
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    I see. I don't see why that would mean you're out of a job. In my experience most schools took the broad view of science credentials. For instance I had a biology credential, but I mostly taught physical science. This was true in California and in Oregon. If you say you have the general geology credential that's even better because you had to take the general science subtests meaning you were tested on physics, biology, geology, AND chemistry and the only difference was the last subtest which was probably geology focused.

    That would likely qualify you to teach any course that includes the word "science" in it. Example: physical science, life science, earth science, etc. Many high schools offer one or more of these as a first year science course.

    Honestly, with how hard up they are for science teachers I would be very surprised if they gave you a hard time about it after making this change and didn't do something to make it work for you. The main thing I think would change that might be annoying for you is that you wouldn't get to teach a geology-only course anymore, meaning you'd probably have to throw out all of the curriculum you've developed.

    Do you know for sure (i.e. talked to your principals/district credential analysts) that this change would invalidate your subject matter competency or do you just think it will?
     
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    If the district is seriously considering the three-class option, I'll guess that there aren't many other qualified geoscience teachers in the district or that they anticipate a shortage. And if a whole district has to go one way or the other, rather than implementing the model that works with their staffing - well, I think that's stupid.
     
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    I am going to see to the head of science curriculum of the district in the morning for a training and plan to ask for clarification then.
     
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    So yea. She said they were still deciding but since most other districts have already gotten rid of Earth Science she says it is hard to argue to keep it as a seperate class. She said a few people with the credential would be moved to middle school and the rest pink slipped.... On the plus side she said it would not happen next year, but maybe the year after. So there is a little time to start testing into other subjects. It will just be a little harder for me to pass with a new baby and no sleep....... It still makes me mad that I put in so much work to be credentialed in my subject and be NGSS aligned and I am being essentially told its all worthless now. I also do not think it is fair that no other science subjects have to get another credential or worry about being pink slipped even though they will be supposed to be teaching a third of the Earth Science standards.
     
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    I guess it makes sense in a science teacher shortage money saving way also. By getting rid of the introductory Earth Science course they are going from 4 required courses to three so they would need1/4 less science teachers per high school which would save them money and mean that they would need to hire/replace 1/4th less science teachers as other teachers retire. That would help them overall in a science teacher shortage I guess.....
     
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    Sorry to hear that. I'm very surprised they weren't more accommodating at the High School level.
     
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    I am in the process of getting my single subject teaching credential and just passed the general science 215 CSET and Earth/Space Science CSET in 2018.
    Now I find out that school districts (in CA) are not going to be hiring Earth Science/Geoscience teachers?
    My independent research reveals the UC system will no longer accept high school Earth science (with lab) for admission to their university. And many school districts in CA have already started to integrate Earth science into the big 3: Bio, Physics and Chem.
    Am I going to be stuck teaching middle school with my Geoscience credential?
     
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    It seems like it. Have you considered teaching biology and/or chemistry?
     
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    I guess now I'm starting to lean towards Chemistry. My credential university is already pointing me towards student teaching at an 8th grade middle school. My background is business/finance, not sure how likely I am to pass the chemistry exam. This is a second career for me. Anything beyond the Khan Academy or Introductory Chemistry will be too far out of reach for me.
    BTW, I sub a lot in middle schools in my area. It's no picnic.
     
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    Hugs, 99 percent. What got you to choose geoscience to begin with? Is it an interest you had from high school science or perhaps your undergrad general-education coursework? If so, you have a foundation in science generally: build on that, and leverage the ways in which chemistry is relevant to rocks.
     
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    I took the chem
    Khan academy is good for practicing for the new chem cset. Just get a chem textbook and use Khan academy.

    Iv realized in the last year the joke is really now on my district because we got a look at samples from the textbooks and the classes are all earth based now. So chem is really geochemistry, and physics is actually geophysics and astrophysics so as a geologist I feel like I get the final laugh. Many teachers are complaining because they do not understand how to apply their class to earth processes. Iv taken both geochemistry and geophysics classes so I do not have that problem. I plan to add both my chem and physics credentials within the next year.
     
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    Glad to hear you're doing that, Geologygirl, and don't forget to spin this anecdote for future job or grant applications, or maybe developing workshops for your fellow teachers... It's also good to hear that earth science isn't going away.
     
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    I love the positive outlook and please let us know how you do on your certification tests.
     
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    I find out if I psssed the Chem one Friday. Fingers crossed.
     
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    I had not thought about workshops for fellow teachers, but sounds like a good idea.
     
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    What review material did you use for Chem?
    If textbook, can you indicate whether it was general chemistry or introductory chemistry?
     
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    I’m rooting for you!!!
     
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    I used 5 sources:
    1. Chemistry The Central Science- college chemistry textbook
    2. Barron's Chemistry book
    3. Khan Acadamy Chemisrty course.
    4. Various online websites
    5. CSET Test Secerets
    The Khan acadamy course, and Barrons were a good foundation, and if they did not cover in detail a part of the study guide I went to the college textbook. I used the online sources to learn organic chem.
    The secrets of the CSET was useful for a practice test. Barons has some lower level practice test too.
     
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    Did you pass Chemistry?
    I am using:
    Chemistry - The Central Science,
    Schaums's Intro Chemistry,
    Khan Academy,
    and various online/Youtube

    I'm hoping I can pass with knowledge of general chemistry / intro chemistry or what most college students study in their first two semesters.
     
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    That's going to be a pretty decent foundation, 99 percent. If you're generally a good test taker, I think you've got a decent chance of passing, and perhaps more than a decent chance. Don't forget Wikipedia for quick help with a specific term you happen not to know.
     
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