Let's talk school shootings

Discussion in 'General Education' started by Caesar753, Jan 23, 2018.

  1. Been There

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    I just realized that teachers often submit posts to this forum asking for help with difficult co-workers who bully others. Even as adults, many people have never learned how to effectively respond to a bully and are often at a total loss as to what to do - not much different than what goes on among children in the playground. In days gone by, we were encourged/allowed to use common sense to resolve interpersonal differences au naturel, without any concern for what was PC. Now, everything is out of wack and no one seems to know what to do anymore!
     
  2. Obadiah

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    I am in complete agreement with your observation and thoughts. Although not widely reported in national news, from local stories, it appears that many tragedies have been prevented due to such diligence. Statistically, it seems that only a small percentage of teenagers would commit a shooting or other severe act of violence, but on the other hand, it only takes 1 person to cause a disaster. According to Wikipedia, school shootings have been occurring as early as 1764, but only recently at such a tremendous number. That surprised me too, that the shooter was advertising violence with a shirt proclaiming "Born to kill." Wearing a shirt that essentially says, "Hey, I might have a problem," makes me wonder if anyone checked on the student to see if help was needed. He says he had a story to tell, well, what if his story was told before the shootings.
     
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    I'm a 16-year veteran teacher, and I'm getting to the point where I actually have some anxiety and apprehension about my career because of how unsafe it is. I realize anyone anywhere can pull out a gun and start shooting, but knowing teenagers like I do, and seeing them become less personally connected to society and more self-absorbed and indifferent to others, even in my small, rural school, is...disturbing. There was a time when the idea of a school shooting on our campus never entered my mind. Now, it wouldn't surprise me one bit and I can actually think of a couple specific kids who worry me a little.

    There are students in my school who do not seem to have anything or anyone they care about enough to NOT throw their lives away. To them, it would be worth it to wind up in prison or dead if it means being able to hurt other people. And these kids range from those who are victims of abuse and bullying to those who drive Porsches to school and whose parents make constant excuses for their bad behavior.

    When the tables have fully turned and the children are running the show, we're all screwed. Faculty and staff have to BE THE ADULTS and stand up to the bullies. Stand up to the students who bully other students. Stand up to the students who bully teachers. Stand up to the teachers who bully students. Stand up to the teachers who bully other teachers. Stand up to the parents who bully their children. Stand up to the children who bully their parents. Stand up to the parents who bully the teachers.

    Right is right and wrong is wrong. We have to stop being afraid of hurting someone's feelings by saying, "NO. You're being mean. That is unacceptable."

    I'll try to steer clear of politics, but let's just say, this is a problem that goes ALL the way to the TOP here in the U.S. It isn't just our schools. It's our society.
     
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    Checking the news on my phone this morning, Anderson Cooper stated that more people have died in schools than in the military. I'm not sure of the timeline of his statistics, but no matter. That is....sorry, I'm at a loss for words, for an adjective strong enough to express my feelings of fear. I was in high school in the 70's. OK, we're getting close to half a century ago, but should that much change in half a century? It did, but why????????????????????????????????????????
     
  5. readingrules12

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    We need to do as much as possible as a society to prevent these school shootings. It seems that cities put lots of $$$ into reducing crime and get some good results, but our high schools and junior highs are often ignored. New York City had over 2,000 murders in 1990, now they have about 400 a year after more than doubling their police force and doing many other not so inexpensive interventions. I do believe we can make our schools a lot safer and it might not be inexpensive, but it would be worth it.
     
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    This is probably a stupid question but...what did Anderson Cooper mean? What about WWI WWII? I'm sure I'm just misunderstanding what he meant.
     
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    The story was that more children have died in schools this year (2018) than soldiers in the military.
     
  8. MsAbeja

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    Specifically, in the year 2018 more US children have died in school shootings than have military personnel. Not all military deaths in all wars, but just so far in 2018.
     
  9. minnie

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    Ok that's what I thought. Thanks
     
  10. Janedo5513

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    We also need to hold the parents accountable for the school shootings. Why not? Most of these kids cannot go into a gun shop and buy one so they go to their parents gun cabinet and are grabbing one. So the parents should be held as an accessory. They need to make it harder for their children to access these guns. My husband is active duty military and we don't have children but when my niece comes over for a week to two in the summer, we take all precaution to make sure she cant gain access. Once he retires (next year) we plan on getting a gun safe. Gun safes aren't easy to move they are about 400 plus pounds and once you place it, that's where it stays. Now they have more technology for gun safes such as the iphone where they can recognize a thumb print and how many thumb prints you want on there. This would drastically cut down the "trying to find the key to the safe" I think we need to hold parents now who own a gun that is used in a school shooting are also responsible as well. No more, well I didn't know Johnny was using it blah blah blah excuses. When you signed the gun permit, you are signing your name for full responsibility to that gun.
     
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    Unless you are moving the guns to another house while they are visiting, you aren't taking all precautions because you admit you will be getting a gun safe. Why do so if "all precautions" are acceptable now?

    It is amazing how kids can figure out how to get into things that are locked away or what we think are well hidden.
    Which is why you think that you can set up fool-proof systems so that kids, especially older teens, can't break.
     
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    She is 10 but the last time she came out to visit was 7. When she came out, we took out the magazines from the guns, so they weren't loaded and also checked the chambers. We moved the magazines away from the guns by putting it in a small safe that it's fire proof. It's no gun safe by no means but the ammo is away from the guns. What we do with guns, we put them on the highest shelf in our closet that she cannot reach unless she grabs a chair. If she does that, that means she is left unattended, when she is with us she is always with myself or my husband. So yes, she can't have access to the guns in our household.

    If you can't keep gun access away from teens, then maybe you shouldn't have it in your house. Like I said there are new gun safes out there with newer technology incorporated. Yes, its more costlier but with everything that is going on, it's also a piece of mind that if you have kids in your household that they can't access it.
     
  13. Caesar753

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    Many kids are getting guns from neighbors or friends. At least some of the guns used in the Columbine shooting were purchased legally by a friend of the boys at a gun show.

    It's important to remember that even guns that are stored safely can be stolen. Not all gun safes are 400-pound beasts; there are plenty of small, concealable safes that would easily fit into a backpack. And, as you've indicated here, there are plenty of people who don't lock up their guns because they don't have children in the house. Are we going to hold accountable everyone who has a gun that isn't locked up? If your unsecured gun gets stolen, are you as responsible as a parent whose gun was stolen?
     
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    My husband is active duty military and having his AR's under the bed. Some of his other guns in their boxes just sitting in there when it can be in a gun safe seems like a better idea instead around the house.
     
  15. Caesar753

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    I'm not sure how familiar you are with adolescents, but they can be really crafty and resourceful. If a teenager wants to get at something, they will find a way. I can guarantee you that you are not with her 100% of the time. I mean, you have to shower, use the bathroom, sleep....
     
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