Let's talk school shootings

Discussion in 'General Education' started by Caesar753, Jan 23, 2018.

  1. Linguist92021

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    I know and that's part of the problem.
     
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    The school that I student taught at had a 7th grader shoot himself in the head accidentally in the school bathroom a few days ago. The child died, but he had distractionary devices in his backpack, so his motives were unclear. With that being said, a nearby school district has had 10 suicides this year. TEN. And that's just one school district. Guns aside, there is a clear mental health problem in this country, and this is much harder to fix than guns.
     
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    I am honestly against the idea of teachers being armed because like every law the gun laws will not benefit black and brown teachers and students. Teachers being armed will only strengthen the school to prison pipeline and bring a more significant divide in the educational gap for minority students.

    There will be teachers armed that never in there lives shot at someone in the line of duty or in a crisis. Teachers will then result to shooting others based on their fears for another race or religion, The classic response they will give to the police for killing a 12-year-old boy is, "I felt threatened for my life."

    Schools are a safe haven for most young students. Just imagine teaching in a district or a school where almost 90% of the students live in disadvantaged areas. Their homes are in shambles only to go to the most structured place of their lives and the people that they look up to are armed in dangerous.

    Put the guns down and teach. Go to your lawmakers and push for better pay and equip schools with the resources to identify mental illness at an early age. Also, Stop ignoring Early Childhood Education and allocate funding for preschools so that they can receive better intervention for young students with issues before their public school career begins.
     
  4. a2z

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    How so?
     
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    The rhetoric would tell you it is a war zone where they must fear for their life every single day.
     
  6. Caesar753

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    There's a good article in The Atlantic today that addresses this part of the issue.
     
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    On this we agree completely.
     
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    Armed teachers will only bring about a school atmosphere that is surrounded by policing something that most students in disadvantage areas are all too familiar with. Why not create a positive atmosphere and show students a life outside of what they already know. As a result, minority students will be forced to alternative schools or placed in long suspension bringing a gap in their educational attainment
     
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    So sad!

    We do have a mental health problem in this country. However, I can't believe our country has a higher percentage of suicidal children or homicidal maniacs than anywhere else. We are awash in guns. It's not hard for an ill child or a crazy adult to get a gun.
     
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    Didn't really see anything in there that answered my question other than the fact that there have been reports of some teachers making racial slurs.
     
  11. a2z

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    I understand what you are saying, but in the mean time how do you protect students from the random student who wants to shoot up a school? Or is that something we should not address in any form of policing way but only do so in wealthy areas that are not as used to being surrounded by gun violence?

    I saw on the re-play of the gathering at the White House that teachers from DC said they have entrance metal detectors and student searches at the only open entrances to the school and multiple armed officers at the school. She seemed to believe it produced a safe learning environment and the students did not mind. This was in a high-crime, high-poverty area of DC.
     
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    Really? Our country has no community any more. We are divided. Mistakes are seen as *insert negative term here*. Kids are surrounded by violence and ideas that are really beyond their understanding on a continual basis. Kids who are kept from those types of things are seen as protected as if something is wrong with not having kids know about more adult ideas at a young age. Every kid is expected to be THE BEST at everything. If they drop their guard for a moment, they are seen as not doing enough.

    Parents are under huge pressure from change in finances, expectations, and information overload. No matter what they do society is telling them they are wrong. (Just like teachers are getting from society.) Which puts families on edge. Then on top of that broken home after broken home.

    Nothing is wrong and everything is wrong all at the same time. I wouldn't want to be a kid these days.
     
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    The NRA reveres the constitution, a document that also laid out how slaves would be regarded. We changed the slave thing because it was wrong. The gun thing is wrong too. We need to change it.
     
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    "But the movement for hardening isn’t just impractical or lacking in evidentiary support; it’s also a dystopian stroke of authoritarianism that runs deeply counter to the ideas embodied in the Constitution. Increasingly militarized school resource officers don’t just passively wait for mass shootings; they have daily encounters with students that appear to be increasing in frequency. Brutality is endemic. Mother Jones chronicled 28 serious student injuries and one death from 2010 to 2015 in such encounters. The brunt of those brutal incidents and arrests falls on black students, and high-profile incidents of officers kicking students, choking them, handcuffing third-graders, and slamming students to the ground are all too common."

    "As Coaston writes, these setups will almost certainly tend towards gross violations of students’ First Amendment rights to speech and Fourth Amendment rights to privacy, and will do so along already-established lines of race and class."
     
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    Thank you.

    These things are happening to students of all colors. I've seen quite a number of elementary aged kids in the news handcuffed that were not black. I've personally seen white teens put to the ground by the SROs.

    The question then becomes, is the problem a few rogue officers, poor training on de-escalation procedures, or behaviors of the students who refuse to comply? Is it a change in reporting? Is it really a black problem? I noticed the article said many but didn't give a percentage.

    I'm not saying that these issues aren't important. But with all of the thousands of schools across the country and millions of students (not all well behaved), 28 serious incidents in 5 years isn't surprising especially in this age of harsh punishment or no punishment.

    But what do you propose if, as you pointed out, police in school is also a bad thing? Sadly, kids are violent too and I can almost guarantee if the choice is to remove kids that are misbehaving you will probably see people yelling about the disproportionate number of black students in this category. What's the solution when it is a no-win?
     

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