Lawnmower parents?

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  1. ms.irene

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    I absolutely support 504s that provide accommodations for students who need them. What I don't understand is why 5 teachers, a counselor, and an admin all have to spend an hour in a meeting, plus however long doing the paperwork, when a student isn't using the accommodations because they don't need them. I have been to two meetings like this in the past week and it's frustrating the amount of time put into a paper trail that may or may not get used some day in the future.
     
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    The point of accommodations is to level the playing field. Not to insure that a student makes it to the top ten, gets a perfect SAT score or maintains straight As.

    If you cannot handle 5 AP classes in one semester, for whatever reason, you shouldn't take 5 AP classes in one semester. If your anxiety makes taking the normal 4 classes difficult, then we can talk about accommodations.

    Taking 5 APs at once, earning a spot in the top ten, these are stressful goals. These are things that are going to require far MORE than what the average student needs. 504s and IEPs should be to give a hand up. A hand UP to where everyone else is. Not a rocket ship to send them into the stratosphere.
     
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    Answer: Bureaucracy and for the sake of perceived rigor.
     
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    I don't think anyone's saying anxiety and learning disabilities aren't real things. I'm perfect satisfied with the notion we're better at identifying issues and taking care of them.

    However, I do believe there is a percentage of the school population who takes unnecessary advantage of this.
     
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    I find this pretty funny.

    Yeah, parents would love for teachers to enforce this. They don't really expect it, even when they ask for it.
     
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    I, too, find this hilarious and I’ve had equally unreasonable requests asked of me by lawnmower parents. For example, I had a parent last year who wanted to meet with me and her son on Saturdays at the school to discuss their student’s weekly progress. I declined her requests and tactfully let her know that I am allowed time off on the weekends like everyone else, but I would be more than happy to meet with her during school hours.
     
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    This is terribly unreasonable. I can't understand how a parent would think this was okay to ask.
     
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  8. TeacherNY

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    That sounds an awful lot like a tutoring session where she would have to pay you for your time.What would she say to that arrangement?
     
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    We would get in trouble for suggesting it. We can't accept payment for tutoring our own students, or students at our school. As part of our "other duties as required," we are asked to keep office hours either before or after school at least one day a week.
     
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    Uh... no. LOL Really? Sorry! You are not the food police!
     
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    YTG hit it ion the head-these requests, while totally silly and over the top, are becoming pretty frequent.

    I had a parent a few weeks back ask if I would personally put her childs homework in his backpack for him everyday, because just reminding him to do it himself wasnt good enough. Then I suggested partnering him up with a very responsible student who could be his "homework buddy" who would help him and check that the homework was in the backpack. Her response, NO-He needs an adults help.
     
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    I actually hadn’t even considered this. It basically was a tutoring session that she probably trying to get for free. Yeah, no.
     
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    A lady in one of my FB mom groups brought up a situation where she wanted the teacher to help her daughter get her homework out of her backpack as the daughter, who had ADHD, had lots of trouble remembering to even with the teacher giving a class reminder.

    It wound up being a very passionate argument from both sides. I suppose I was somewhere in the middle--it was an early grade where perhaps the child did need short-term focused help in how to get out her homework folder.

    But, yikes, an adult's help!

    I recall hearing about a hall in a school somewhere. One side had a special needs classroom, specifically early elementary ages. The other side was a typical 3rd grade classroom.

    Each morning, one classroom had parents helping children to take off coats, get stuff out their backpacks, tie shoes, etc. The other classroom had most students independently getting ready for the day.

    Guess which classroom was which?

    I don't if this is a true anectdote, though the person swears she saw it happen at her school with helicopter parents fussing over their typical kids and the SPED students being encouraged and empowered in independence.
     
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    Apparently that is a true tactic!

    Out of storytelling curiosity, how did she respond when you said you were off Saturdays?
     
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    Well, I kept hinting that school hours would be best for all parties involved, but the mother was insistent that I meet with her and her son on Saturday’s for 1-2 hours at the school. I was mystified at the time as campus is closed on the weekends and I said it would only be us three. She kept saying how it would be the best fit for her son and that she heard great things about me from other parents (my tutoring clients). That should have tipped me off, but I was just trying to reason with her, so I gave her my tutoring times during school hours, which are covered by the tuition she already pays. She then said that would not work and that her son needs more time than that. I replied that I have tutoring times every day at lunch and every day after school for 45 minutes in my classroom. She responded that that was not enough time and that my sessions are very large due to all the students — the latter is true. I then reiterated that I couldn’t do Saturdays or Sundays and she got all irate with me and started saying how I don’t help her son enough — not true — and that I should be more considerate of THEIR schedules. Inside, I was like, “Excuse me, I help your son all the time before school, during my lunch break, and after school.” But what I actually said was that I tutor him multiple times per week and give up my lunch time and free time after school for 45 minutes (that I’m not paid for) to help students who need the extra help. If he can’t find the time to come to one of those times, of which there are many, then I don’t know what to do. She then left in a huff and later sent an email to my principal saying that I was not accommodating to her son’s needs and my super supportive P said, “Why don’t you hire him as a personal tutor and you can have all the extra time you like?” My P later pulled me into his office and he and I had a laugh when I read her email aloud.

    That mother was really something else and this was not my first run-in with her. For instance, she once accused me of having a venereal disease and I still have the email from her addressed to my principal to prove it! Well, short story long, her little junior ended up getting an A- and she was very pleased. I even jokingly said in passing that I guess the Saturday visits weren’t necessary after all. ;)
     
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