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  1. YoungTeacherGuy

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    Another request that makes me laugh is when parents want me to "make" another parent do something. For example (this just happened yesterday): "That car is blocking my view. I can't see the kids coming. Can you make her move?"

    I smiled and gave some sort of snarky comment that made her laugh, but I was annoyed.
     
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    I'm seeing this with parents overzealously advocating for 504s for their high-achieving high school students, even if the student has all As (or, shudder, a few Bs). Their students are excelling academically, but the parents still want their kids to keep the accommodations available for when they go to college. Meanwhile, we jump through all the hoops, do endless paperwork and waste time in meetings holding hands for a student who is achieving more than the "average" student who actually needs the help.
     
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    THIS!!!!

    I have so many students with 504s now. At least twice as many as I did ten years ago. By far the majority of these kids are upper-middle class whose parents cannot fathom the possibility that their kids are perfectly average. If their kid is getting a B or gasp, a C, it MUST mean that he has a learning disability.

    I had a student six years ago that had a 98 in my class. She was taking an AP class as a sophomore and the lowest grade she had was that 98. Her parents sued the district because the team initially refused to give her a 504. Another student was taking five AP classes in one semester and got a 504 because he was stressed out from his workload. WTH???
     
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    Are you in my district, or is it like this everywhere? All these kids have "anxiety." When I meet the parents, I generally get the feeling that we are accommodating the parents' needs even more than the kids'. I also personally have a diagnosis of anxiety, so I know it is real -- I'm not dismissing this as a real disorder. What I find alarming is the rate at which students are being sheltered from ever dealing with their anxiety, so they can learn to overcome it and live their lives productively.
     
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    Maybe the parents are making them anxious!! :whistle:
     
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    I'm sure I will be hammered for this post, but good grades and hard courses does not mean a student doesn't need a 504. I've known a number of 2E kids (twice exceptional for those who do not know the meaning). Some had terrible grades, barely did any work, and just gave up because it was too much to try to overcome the interference of the disability. Some had fantastic grades, but the effort and time required to do the work they were intellectually capable of handling was overwhelming. For some kids with attention issues or other issues that impact rapid work product production, what takes the typical student 20 minutes to do it might take an hour to do.

    What I take from the above comment is that if you are intelligent and have a disability, you should just settle for taking easier courses.

    I think we also have to look at what is done in the classes. Talking to some recent HS graduates who are now in college, they say the amount of work in their college classes is so much lighter than what they experienced in their high school honors and AP classes. They say the busy work is gone. Sure they have readings to do, papers, and test, but the continual barrage of small assignments on top of all of that are gone.
     
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    Maybe it is partly inherited based on body/brain chemistry.
     
  8. futuremathsprof

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    Regarding your last comment, yes, I do give my students a TON of work, but they need the practice in math, especially in my classes. And I keep in contact with many of my students after they graduate and the common spread is that they thank me for making them work so hard because their math courses are a breeze in college in comparison. They said that they stressed out a lot in high school due to the high rigor of my classes, but now they are in the top of their classes because I taught them better methods than what their professors are teaching them. For instance, I continually build in science problems throughout my math courses in the form of computer science, chemistry (inorganic, organic, and physical), physics, genetics, microbiology, etc. I go beyond the core curriculum and I hold my students to a very high standard. And even though my students are/we’re worked extremely hard and constantly worried over my class(es), they learned valuable information that will serve them in their future STEM careers.

    In my classes, my motto is that you should, from the moment you sit down in your seat, be “working, working, working, working, working.”
     
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    Regarding your comment about 2e students, if a student is suspected or thinks that he/she might need learning accommodations, then they should be officially tested to see what learning differences they might possess. If they are found by multiple professionals (2 or more), then they are given accommodations. If they are found to not have any disabilities to speak of, then they continue their schooling as they currently are. That’s what we do at my school. We don’t just deny a student because they have high grades. That doesn’t seem fair to the student.
     
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    I could've truly used a 504 (along with some prescription meds) in school. I suffered from severe anxiety. I would often need to vomit before/during a big/stressful test, which would result in having less time to complete the exam. I don't think my parents realized the severity of my anxiety, though. I was so used to living with it that I didn't know what it was like to live without it.
     
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    Oh my goodness, that’s sounds truly awful... I admire you for getting to where you are and still having to deal with that. Well done! You should feel proud of yourself.
     
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    Thank you! Thankfully, my anxiety is totally in check now that I'm an adult.
     
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    Great to hear! :)
     
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    Yeah, we'll go with that.
     
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    When I taught in the middle school there was one student who was pretty much always absent on days we had tests. Her mom always said she was sick to her stomach (for some reason the whole team always had tests on the same day. I had no way of changing the day because I was only a LTS). When the student took the test in a quiet area like the library, she was fine! No anxiety.
     

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