LAUSD's Subs, what's going to happen to us?

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  1. T.A.

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    LAUSD's subs: what's going to happen to us?

    What should I do? Should I wait and see what the new school year will look like? I know we won't be ablle to work in September. It was noted in the confirmation letter.
    Are they placing all the teachers whom were laid off in a different subpool? :help:
     
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    No, they are placing the displaced at the top of the regular sub list.

    Just wait, there will be positions for the displaced and eventually you will move back up the list.

    Good luck!
     
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    I accepted a long-term for mid September, but that school is losing 4 muli-subject teacher. I'm assuming they will be the ones doing my long-term right?
     
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    I'm in the same boat, I have a long term lined up and I was told I am doing it, but I am keeping my fingers crossed because this school also lost a teacher. I understood the letter to say that they would guarantee that we would start working Oct. 2nd, but I don't think that means we can't work until Oct. 2nd. It's all certainly a bit confusing and up in the air.
     
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    What I meant was that from what I understood, the letter to us mentions that the system will begin calling subs in October.
    I'm assuming the teachers whom are laid off will take my pre-arranged long-term. I was given lesson plans and everything, but I'm sure they have to give the position to the 5 teachers the lost.
    It's going to be a long Summer break. My poor piggy bank :(
     
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    I'm so sorry T.A.

    I hope you get another long-term sub position.
     
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    Thank you. It's been a Hard year. I worked all year in long-term,but I was constantly asked to walk before school with our "stop the cuts" signs with the regular teachers.
    It was very confusing since I was a sub. Now, I'm trying to apply to new jobs, but as soon as they see LAUSD on my resume. "The positions are all filled." They know that we're all looking for jobs and think that's why we are apply to their companies. God bless us.
     
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    I didn't see anything about no work in September on the confirmation.
    -Paula
     
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    In the confirmation letter it says that you are guaranteed to get work by Oct. 2nd, but it does not say you won't be able to work until then. Also, keep your fingers crossed for your long term. I think it may be up to the principal who gets to do the long term, but if they already told you it's you and you already have the plans, I would just assume you will be doing it. I think the teachers who were let go will go to the top of the sub pool, but I think teachers can still request us...I hope! I hardly ever got called by the subfinder (I'm new), but got tons of requests from teachers I know.
     
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    I'll be thinking of all of you!
     
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    I'll keep my fingers crossed. Juts to clarify! You may work anytime you have an assignment. Even if it's in September. The letter says you're guaranteed to get calls in October. From experience, this has always been the case. I get many calls after September unless I have a pre-arranged assignment.
    Thank you for the support myownwoman. I've worked for the district for a long time. Just working as a sub gets me nervous. I've been spoiled by permanent positions and
    always having a place to report every year. I'm slowly getting used to the sub style. I'll get better ,I know. Thanks again:thumb:
     
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    Hi, I am not in LAUSD but I'm living in the high desert and the layoffs effects are felt up here as well. One of our main districts still has 95 laid off teachers. I havent applied to their sub list yet, I am waiting to see if they hire back those teachers yet.
    I am a non reelected teacher who will sub until I find a new home.
    Good luck to everyone here!!
     
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    Do you know anything about Lascaster schools? I heard they laid off many teachers last year. Is that true?
     
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    confirmation letter

    I didn't recieve a letter telling me what I can expect in September or October. Can anyone tell me what it said or how to get a copy?

    I suppose I could get one downtown. Do we still need an appointment to get into Beaudry? Pretty hard to do when there's no one left there to answer the phone. Eeek!
     
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    It was just a letter letting you know that you are re-hired for the Fall Semester and to expect getting calls a few weeks after school starts.

    I don't think you need an actual copy of the letter. Just go to this link www.teachinla.com/substitute to register your availability for the Fall Semester. If it doesn't let you register, then perhaps you didn't get rehired. In that case, you should go downtown. You don't need an appointment to visit the Sub Unit.

    You'll also notice the link on that page for the Child Abuse Awareness unit. You have to complete that, too.

    And ... don't forget to renew your Sub Credential if it's near expiration. The link to do that is at the bottom of this page: http://www.teachinla.com/
     
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    Does anyone know how to access the aforementioned confirmation letter. I've been subbing for a year and a half and have gotten nothing from the district...
     
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    Thanks Special T!
     
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    Ok. I just got a call from the teacher I was supposed to cover in September for her maternaty leave.

    Well, my long- term assignment was given to a teacher in the laid off list. They tried placing me with the job number, but the office manager was given a list of subs ( laid off teachers) that need to be called first. Should I start craying now???:(
     
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    That does not bode well for my long term! I wonder if they will have to call those teachers first for day-to-day assignments as well. This is truly a bummer! I noticed that there was a press release about LAUSD rescinding RIF notices to all but 300 or so employees, at first I thought that was good until I noticed it said that it included laid off teachers that had signed up as day-to-day subs. It looks like a lot of them did sign up for subbing.
     
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    I do not sub in for LAUSD but I've been told that per ed code districts will have to offer sub assignments to their riffed teachers first. I beleive this includes day-to-day assignments.
     
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    Not in LA, but this question came up at a substitute teacher's seminar offered by our county (in the Bay Area), which covers 40 individual districts. Some subs reported that they were being blacklisted, essentially, in favor of the laid off teachers.

    The County sounded unamused and said it was a strict violation for them to favor anyone, since it hadn't been written into the County laws. The County just next to us does have it pretty exclusive right now because their website says you cannot sub unless you have a full teaching certificate, which a lot of subs don't.

    So, I think it sounds like discrimination. Does it happen? Of course, and usually privately by a teacher calling a sub (which I think is fine). But if the County or district isn't hiring subs, I'd be sure this is legal.
     
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    I guess we'll know in a month what the year is going to be like. Last year I started getting calls about 2 weeks into the school year.
     
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    Wow. I just read that notice. As of August 20th, 1800 riffed teachers have signed up for the sub pool. That's not good for me at all. I'm not certified, so they are all ahead of me in Sub Finder. And, I'll bet all their employee numbers are at the top of the Sub Finder list even ahead of other credentialed subs.
     
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    Sorry to sound dense. I'm still waiting for my official CBEST score before technically signing up to sub, although I've gone through the district's required program already.

    What is a sub number? How does it affect being selected?

    What is a riffed teacher??

    THANK YOU.
     
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    RIF: Reduction In Force, otherwise known as "layoff".

    How substitutes are selected depends on the area in which one is, and private schools work differently still. This thread is about Los Angeles Unified; do I recall correctly, amaryllis, that you're in the Bay Area?
     
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    Yes, Lancaster School district laid off 110 but hired some back and still have 70 teachers pink slipped who weren't called back. Another district in Lancaster, Eastside, has only 3 schools, and did not lay anyone off last year. Neither did Quartz Hill, which is close by.they have about 7 elementary schools. Palmdale SD didn't pink slip either, but they non-reelected 20 probationary teachers. Hope this answers your ?'s!
     
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    Yes, sorry. I thought it was perhaps the sort of situation that would cover all of California.

    I really apologize if my post veered off topic geographically, TG: this sort of thread causes me concern for all substitutes in California State (since the layoffs were statewide, but perhaps the laws jump district to district). Just another Nervous Nellie here filled with empathy and frustration for what's happening around the state.
     
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    My friend (the teacher on maternity leave) shared fthe list of riffed teacher to call before a regular sub. The list for that school is 21 teachers. Including day-to-day assignments.
     
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    In Britain substitute teachers are known as SUPPLY teachers and at present the UK government is allowing unqualified "teaching assistants" to take classes and allow schools to save on paying for substitute/supply staff ! The teaching unions are powerless to stop this and UK teachers see it as the profession being "dumbed down" !
     
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    To be precise, amaryllis, the budget cuts are statewide but I think individual districts have some discretion in how they respond and just what (or whom) they cut.
     
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    I wish there was someplace we could go to for information about how all this will work. It seems like the district office does not give out very much information. In fact, the school offices don't seem to know what's going on until the try to put in a number and are told they can't. Same thing happened end of last year when a school I know tried to hire a sub and a student teacher and were told by the district they couldn't until all displaced teachers found positions. I'd be surprised if very many LAUSD subs know that they won't be getting very many calls, if any. I wish they would just be straight with us, and I wish there was a site we could go to for information.
     
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    I'm hoping to work again for LAUSD. I've gotten jobs from 2 other districts thru October 30th. Why are they having trainings if there is no money? I was going to drop off in teachers mailboxes in LAUSD soon, so I'll get calls.
     
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    I'm holding to see the end to all this LAUSD mystery. I already know my sub situation for September-no jobs.

    We'll see what happens in October. I just regret not listening to the principal in my last assignment. She said that the substitutes would be mostly affected by RIF.

    I just don't to part of the unemployment stats in California, but have no choice.
     
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    Have You Applied For LACOE?

    Los Angeles County Office of Education always can use subs instead if you're willing to work with special needs students.
     
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    Good news LAUSD subs!!!!! Most of the riffed teachers have been placed. I got a call for a long-term after I found a job at a hospital. Subs, expect calls anyday now. Congratulations!!!!

    Have a great year!
     
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    It's nice to hear some good news!
     
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    Hooray!
     
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    LAUSD sub pool

    Placed where? Who told you that? 1800 Rifs are in the sub pool.

    This is the latest from UTLA president.



    September 1, 2009

    Dear Substitute Teacher:

    I am writing in response to the many phone calls and e-mails that I have
    been receiving regarding a side letter to our contract that I signed giving
    RIF'd teachers priority to work as subs. (The full text of the side letter
    is posted at utla.net.)

    UTLA agreed to sign this ONE YEAR ONLY, nonprecedent-setting agreement
    because, as you probably know, many of our schools were decimated by the
    loss of a large percentage of their teaching staff from 20 to 30 to 40
    percent to, in one case, 50 percent of the teaching staff was RIF'd. UTLA
    wanted to stabilize those schools' staffs to the greatest extent possible,
    while we were trying to negotiate the rehiring of those RIF'd teachers.
    Negotiations went on for over six weeks and fell apart at the last minute
    when the state budget deal created an additional $28O-millionplus deficit in
    the district's budget.

    It is important for you to understand that we believed that the RIF'd
    teachers would be, for the most part, rehired at their own schools and put
    in their original classrooms as time went on and that the effect upon the
    regular substitute pool would be minimal. In addition, because we were
    certain that the negotiations referenced above would result in an agreement
    with the district to bring all of these people back, we signed the side
    letter (agreement) with the district to make sure that the RIF'd teachers
    would not sever their relationship with LAUSD and therefore be permanently
    lost to their schools. Many of those teachers had been working within
    smaller learning communities to develop curriculum and build relationships
    with students that are vital to the effective education

    of those schools' students.

    UTLA did not inform its members of the nature of the talks to bring back the
    RIF'd teachers because the district and union had agreed to a "cone of
    silence" during the negotiations, so as to allow talks to proceed without
    the usual posturing and game playing that frequently accompany bargaining
    talks1 Despite our best efforts, due to the state budget crisis,
    negotiations did ultimately break down, but not until late August. For that
    reason, I was unable to let Substitute Director Leonard Segal, Substitute
    Committee Chair Dave Peters, or UTLA Secondary VP Gregg Solkovits, point
    officer for substitute issues, know about the talks or about the side letter
    until after I signed it.

    It is our belief, however, that as the traditional school year starts, more
    and more of the RIF'd teachers will be rehired by their original schools or
    will find jobs in other school districts. This means that ultimately, most
    LAUSD subs will get their usual calls and be able to work. In the meantime,
    UTLA is talking with the district about how the district and the union can
    work together to make sure that subs who are eligible for health benefits
    can work at least one day a month to keep their benefits.

    In addition, I want to emphasize that teachers retain the right to request
    the sub of their choice, and we are asking you to contact your UTLA area
    representative as soon as you find out and have verification that a
    teacher's request to have you work for them was denied. We cannot enforce
    our contract with the district if we do not know it is being violated.

    I apologize for not working more closely with your Substitute Board of
    Director member Leonard Segal, Substitute Committee Chair Dave Peters, and
    point officer for substitute issues Gregg Solkovits. I should also have done
    a better job of communicating this to you sooner, but as you most likely
    know, our union is at a critical junction in its existence. The Board of
    Education just voted to potentially give away 50 new schools and more than
    200 lower-performing schools to charters and private operators. If in fact
    this district becomes charterized and/or privatized, up to a quarter of our
    members-including subs-could lose their jobs. This would be nothing short of
    disaster for all of us. Please rest assured that not a day goes

    by in which UTLA is not acutely aware of the difficult situation all of our
    substitute members are in at this time.

    Sincerely,

    Duffy

    A.J. Duffy

    President, United Teachers Los Angeles

     
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    I'm glad to see that teachers can still request subs. That's how I got most of my work last year.
     
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    requests

    I've heard that some principals are insisting RIFFed teachers get sub jobs first.
     

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