Lack of respect for ESOL position

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  1. TuSonrisa

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    I just wanted to vent.

    Our ESOL team has been pulled to bubble codes for a test. We have to cancel classes to do this.
    We are constantly pulled to proctor, administer, etc...meanwhile, we have to show growth with our students and make sure that they are progressing in their English language proficiency.
    I'm just saddened and incensed at the same time that administration feels like it's an effective use of our professional time to cancel face time with students to bubble test booklets!
    We have "instructional coaches" that do not pull students, work in small groups, or teach classes. Why they cannot do this is a mystery to me!

    Ok, just needed to vent.
     
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    Are you bubble-coding ESOL tests? If so, then I think it's fair for you to take on that responsibility rather than your instructional coaches. If the tests have nothing to do with ESOL, then I'm wondering why the workload cannot be split among those to whom the testing applies.
     
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    I would also say, if you are only considered something students recieve as part of a 504, it's more or less considered a luxury service that will be utilized and provided when able. It's not required the same way as an IEP would be.
     
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    In my district it's not uncommon for specialists and strategists to help out with certain administrative tasks when necessary, especially if they have flexibility in their schedules. I'm a specialist and I always help with registration issues during the first week of school for students who enroll late. I also proctor a lot of AP tests. These things are pretty far removed from the duties of my position, but I help out because it's part of being a team player.

    Many districts are facing serious budget shortfalls these days, which could result in the loss of teacher positions. I'm doing everything I can to be useful to my teachers and administrators, which sometimes means taking on an extra task here and there. I want to be indispensable at school so that if the time comes for my principal to cut staff, he doesn't give me the boot. If I can do things that no one else can do, and if I can do them efficiently and effectively and without complaint, that's going to give me some leverage. You can bet your bippy that the teachers (including specialists and strategists) who don't go the extra mile and who whine about being asked to do so occasionally will find themselves on the chopping block before I do.
     
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    Your fear is unwarranted. At least as far as the structure of our current federal government is concerned.

    Plus SPED is the one area of education that will never be cut even in the areas it should be. The advocates usually have personal connections and they can be ferocious in their stances.

    That's why there hasn't been any serious movement on for profit special ed school costs.
     
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  8. TuSonrisa

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    No, these tests are not ESOL tests at all.
     
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    ESOL services are federal services that are required if the student is found eligible and not English language proficient. It is separate from services for 504 plans.
     
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    The specialist here do not pull small groups. They actually don't work directly with students. The ESOL teachers have caseloads of 90+ students. Our school is comprised of 80% ESOL students, many who are FAR below grade level. Our services are needed working directly with students.
    Our specialists and strategists do not work directly with students. I think it would be more feasible to pull the faculty that is not responsible for working directly with students and showing student growth on evaluations to be pulled to bubble codes on tests. Our teaching time is already cut short.
    Being silent and becoming paper pushers instead of working face-to-face with students doesn't appeal to me. I would worry seriously about working under a principal that finds it more effective for us to push papers than work with students to help them become more proficient in the language and better readers, writers and mathematicians. I want to be indispensable when it comes to delivering instruction and helping those little light bulbs go off. For the time it took to bubble those tests, we could have pulled groups and worked with students on remedial skills that the classroom teachers cannot get to during the school day. I'd also like to repeat that instructional coaches, who do not pull students or co-teach in any way, were not called to do this. All ESOL teachers had to cancel their classes to do this.
     
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    If there's something that students and classroom teachers need, it's support. If fellow educators don't see the importance of their own jobs, how can anyone see it, believe it, and support it??? Just be happy to have a job? Yikes!
    I'm most happy when I'm TEACHING, and these kiddos need that WAY more than they need those in support roles being pulled to bubble. I don't know about the support roles at your school, but we write and implement lesson plans here and we teach our butts off! We're not just milling around the classroom "helping" the teacher. We're not assistants...we are teachers, and we co-teach.
     
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    I will double-down on my position that sometimes we need to do things that we don't want to do in order to keep things moving ahead so that we can do the things we need to do.

    Have you expressed your concerns to admin? Perhaps you could suggest some sort of rotation for doing these kinds of tasks so that you aren't always pulled from your students. I think that's a fair request.
     
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    I worry that you may be wandering into "my job is more important than your job" territory. All our jobs are important, even if they look different.
     
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    We offer services even when it's not required. It's part of RTI program. I figured maybe it was similar.
     
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    You make the instructional coaches sound inept. Maybe you shouldn't trust them to bubble in the tests.
     
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    Actually, no. It's more like "Serving students is important." One of the biggest issues I see is that students are not getting enough face time with instructors. I feel it's important to serve students directly and work on those skills that they are lacking, or the skills that need enriching.
     
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    Hmmm...inept would be in line with incompetent. I don't remember alluding to them being inept in any way.
     
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    Yes, I did express to them that my concern about not serving the students enough. We have been in school 30 days and our team has only been able to serve students about 6 of those days. We also had to administer another test that has nothing to do with ESOL. Again, our school is over 80% LEP students. I decided to keep a log of how much time we spend doing non-ESOL related or student-centered jobs. I plan to use it for evaluations as well.
     
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    Thanks for reading, everyone. I really was very incensed and needed to vent about it. We won't be serving our students consistently again until October, what with all of the stuff that we have going on at school. I'll just pull groups in whatever times I can squeeze in. Anything that takes me away from sitting at the table and engaging with students irks me anyway.
     
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    I would just make sure you keep track of all the time you DO spend with your students and then when it's time to report progress this issue will probably come up. I don't even know what you're doing when you say bubble in tests but why can't the teachers (who teach the content of that test) do it?
     
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    My school district just cut over $100,000 for ELL supports. The ELL funding is federally funded but federal funds often come in the form of grants which are based on an availability of funds and vary from year to year. Therefore, the OP has every reason to worry.
     
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    I don't know what your problem is. Our two ESOL teachers are regularly pulled to cover absent teachers because we can't get subs or they cancel at the last minute for better schools. Both seem to have the easiest jobs in the school, and last week I even saw one on her phone while supposedly teaching two students. Yeah, 2 students.
     
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    Sounds like where I live in NY. There's a lot of competition and not a lot of openings in most areas.
     
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