Kindercare Employees

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  1. Joyride

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    Just curious- what's your position and how much to you make? Are the hours usually consistent? I'm thinking of applying.
     
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    Just my two cents, but I would never work for them. They pay for crud, their turnover is extremely high, and their benefits stink. They are a crappy chain hidden by a fancy name. No thanks...never. I'd much rather work for a private smaller center. I have nothing good to say about "chains". They're only in it for the money.
     
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    I am the Center Director of a KinderCare in NJ. There are high turnover rates and low pay in all chain childcare centers. My experiences with KinderCare have been mixed. I have worked at 3 centers as a teacher and have had really good experiences and bad ones too. It greatly depends on the director and the staff working at the center. At my center we pay what other centers in the area pay. We do not have a high turnover rate because we have a very dedicaed staff, great parents, and we are a team. The company is out to make money...that is what companies are about. However, since my background is in education I focus a LOT on the educational aspects of my classrooms and staff. Since directors of the centers come from all different backgrounds (some education, a lot business majors), centers are all run in different ways and with an emphasis on different aspects of the business.

    Apply, interview, ask questions about the benefits and pay... see how you feel about the center. I always let perspective staff freely talk to my current staff and ask questions. The new policy is also that before a new staff member is hired, the come back to teach a short lesson... so that will allow you to get more of a feel and see more of what is going on in the center.

    If you want to ask more specific questions or want to know anything else, PM me or send an email.:) I'd be happy to help in any way I can.
     
  5. Joyride

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    Thanks. I currently have a pretty good position at another private center, but the management sucks and tries to skim around the rules instead of doing what's best for the kids, at times. They also tend to cut back on staff hours instead of providing a consistent schedule. So this is the first time that I feel in a position to actively inquire about the job while interviewing. (Even though you always want to know what you're getting yourself into, I feel like I have more leverage this time around). We'll see what happens...
     
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    I teach kindergarten in a Kindercare in Massachusetts and am very happy. I have worked in public school, private, and now in a corporate owned. They all have their drawbacks. I have a terrific director who is very focused on doing what is best for the children. This makes a world of difference. Just realize that Kindercare is a for profit company and is very interested in the bottom line. But as I said earlier I very much enjoy working for them.
     
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    I'm glad to hear there are some properly ran Kindercare's out there, because all the ones by me are all really in need of some turn around.
     
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    I, too, have worked for KinderCare. I have mixed feelings about them, but I do respect their ability to focus upon the needs of the children.
     
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    i am not an employee of Kindercare but have been a childcare teacher for a few years at a couple other group childcare centers. This is why I should've known better than put my son in one. He has been at Kindercare for 3 months & is 2. He has been non-stop sick since he's been there. About 3 wks ago he was diagnosed with Pneumonia and a double ear infection that was the final straw. Back to home day care is where he belongs. When you find a good home day care the quality is unbeatable and the price is much better. Kindercare staff treat you like a number, the teacher for the most part are not parents themselves...my child had a hard time "conforming" to the group mentality there and they didn't have a clue how to help. I am not saying they are bad teachers at all. What is disappointing is the constant change in teachers in the 2 yr old room from day to day and the communication about my child between them was non-existent. He had a yeast infection and the day his one reg. teacher wasn't there, no one gave him his medication. :( After only 2.5 months in his room they abruptly told me when I was picking him up that he was moving the next room. I was very alarmed to hear this and upset. I was told they sent papers out about this but this was not true I never got any notice and besides when do you switch a childs room and teachers after such a short time. Needless to say, putting my child in this place was similar to putting them in a busy intersection. It has many of the impersonal traits group centers have had that I have worked at. The amount of sickness is unreal and unacceptable. The communication between teachers, directors and parents is fair to very poor. You do not get your money's worth on any level at the center in NE Wisconsin. That said, I feel group daycare in general is not a good choice. Word to the wise, find an experienced mother who is credited or licensed and has a home day care. My son will start at a wonderful home daycare this month, thank the gods!
     
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    We have several Kindercares within 10 miles of each other. The quality of each center varies greatly. One center is constantly out of compliance in regards to staffing ration and educational requirements and another is fantastic and NAEYC approved! You have to treat each as a separate entity.
     
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    Wow, that made me so sad to read, especially as a 2's teacher. It does seem to me like our center doesn't necessarily give much notice when moving children up. Thankfully we don't change teachers/assistants that much, but I had to fight for my hours. They would have rather paid the assistants to stay than pay the lead salary. Time and again they've seen how the kids and parents love me, so now I am getting a raise!
     
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    good for you joyride. There is a teacher my son has that sounds like you. She is caring and has a true love for the little 2's. I know some kids get through the group center thing okay but it isn't for my son. I am on the belief now that a small intimate enviroment is the best place, even when he is in elementary school I will find a place that is intimate, small classroom sized.

    When I was a early childcare teacher at one center they treated you like "nothing." Your hours were changed in a days notice and I was moved 5 times to different rooms in 2 yrs with no say at all in it:( It really affected my self esteem even for sometime after I left. Thankfully now I work where I get respect, quite a bit, what an amazing difference!
     
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    I agree

    UNfortunately I had to put my daughter in a similar type place, and she has been sick more times in 3 months than in 2+ years at a home daycare. My 6 month old is sick a lot as well. It is so frustrating and I don't know what to do because I won't randomly pick a home daycare unless I know someone that has at leat used them.

    Hey maybe I won the lottery....let me check
     
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    Nope. Not a winner.
     
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    Just an FYI, and I am sure many of you know this, but ALL children get lots of illnesses because of the amount of children in the rooms, not necessarily because the center is not clean. I use to run a very large daycare center outside of my home and the infant and toddler rooms always had someone with a runny nose, a cold, etc. Especailly at this age, they are being exposed to all new germs, are mouthing things, etc. It's not that our center was unclean, it's the age and the amount of kids put in one room. That is just what happens when you place your child (especially that young of one) in a larger facility. Of course other things can factor into it if children are allowed to come sick, etc. However, even the cleanest of large facilities will have sick children on a regular basis. That's just the reality of taking care of a large number of children (not to mention the germs from home, etc.) in one building.

    Now, I run my small home daycare/preschool and I can count the number of times all my kids have been sick on one hand this past year. I will admit, I am a germ and clean freak...but I was also a germ and clean freak at the large center as well. It's just reality. However, even in a small home daycare, small children that are still quite young (infants, 1 year olds) will pick up many other germs that the older children are already immuned to and become sick more often than the others. That's just how it works. The only way around it is if you keep your child home and never go anywhere with him/her...which just isn't realistic. :D I guess my point is, please just don't blame a center for your child being sick unless you know they are turly unsanitary and unclean (which I wouldn't take my child to a place I felt was that way to begin with). It happens and it's reality.
     
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    Here is a link for National Assoc. of Child Care Resource and Referral Agencies
    naccrra.org

    I found my child's new certified home day care through the site connected to this one for Wisconsin.
    A smaller environment means less sickness, plain & simple.
    How can a child be happy & learn when they are consistently miserable and sick?
    Also here is a link to find the child care options in your area
    childcareaware.org/en/findcare
     
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    Thank you Jenpooh for stating that children will get sick no matter what type of facility they are in. And that in a larger facility children are exposed to a lot more illness than in a smaller home care setting.

    Vigilmama...I am sorry to hear about your experience with KinderCare. Please know that not all KinderCare centers are like to one you experienced. The company has a horrible reputation in some areas, while in others, like mine, we have a great name and have parents referred to us all the time. I have a wonderful staff that is in constant communication with families and is trained in the age group they are working with. And if they are not doing their jobs, they know they will not be working in my center.

    I make sure to let parents know what type of environment their child will be entering into before they decide to enroll. And I always make it a point to let them know that their child will be sick more than usual for around the first 6 months they are in the center. That is how long it usually takes for their immune systems to strenghten. And once the kids have been there for that long, they rarely get sick because their systems are strong. I actually just had a foster mom remove her child from my center because the child is prone to fever and seizure and she has been getting colds and sore throats. So the doctor said her immune system wasn't strong enough yet and with the added risk of seizures they decided it would be best to take her out till she was 2 1/2-3 years old. It happens...:( .
     
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    Thanks for the links. I'm not looking for a referral, but it's interesting to see what kind of information is out there. It looks like a very comprehensive site!
     
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    i personally wouldn't just go by the name of the company... kindercare's have gotten a bad rap over the years, but each center is run by it's own director and that is ultimately what makes or breaks any business, especially child care. The kindercare by my house is NAEYC accrediated and I have several friends that work there and they haven't hired a teacher in over a year because no one leaves. So just remember to really ask questions at each particular center you interview at. You know what you want so don't settle until you find it.
     
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    I work at a KinderCare and I think that my management is great. I have always gotten along with them and they have always been willing to work with me around my night classes. If you stick around for a while it will show them that you are willing to work the hours you say, sometimes you have to build trust first!
     
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    Hello. I have been a KinderCare employee for the last three years. I can honestly say I love it there. I am a Infant and Toddler Program Specialist and Lead Preschool Teacher. I have started as a teacher and worked my way up. Not sure if most of you know but KinderCare was purchased but Knowledge Learning Corpation. Which owns several different brands of daycare cares. Since the purchase they have done major changes. I think all for the better. Our management staff all the way up to the in the company are very nice and seem to always put the children first. This is just my opinion but I like it there and our center is NEYC and ELI and we don't have a big turn over.
    Just my thoughts
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    yes I agree, I have been in 4 differnet Kindercares and I would not rec. them to anyone, the staff like the aids most are so uneducated, the rooms are so tiny and the poor children stuffed in them, like 1 room is now made into 2 rooms 20, 2yr olds in one tiny room, unreal, and no bright up lifting colors and nice lighting etc, one center I was at the lobby was made into a room with book cases to form a square to be a so called room, children on cots in the hallway outside this so called room, all children should be in a room with windows bright light and a door, !!! I have seen so much better in home daycares never would I put my child in kindercare they are all for $$$$$$$$$ with alot of bull behind them to get clients.
     
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    hey...we have another newbie from Illinois! Hello! Master Pre-K now sp. ed. pre-k... nice to meet you!
     
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    I worked for them once. Only paid me $8.00 an hour, but full benefits, which I thought was unusual. Being a chain, they can do that. Recently, they bought out Children's World Learning Centers. So they have expanded.

    I think most posters agree, there are good and bad things wherever you go. However, being a chain, they have a pretty weird policy about teaching 2's, expecting all parents want these things. Not developmentally appropriate, IMO. Also, they had a lot of rules that I didn't like!

    I know and understand the 2 teachers will say there are plenty of things they can do, but I just was not happy in a 2 yr old room period. Whether it was public or private, I have not been happy. so that may be a personal pet peeve of mine. Just not my age level.

    As a parent, I really didn't like them. fees were out the window! had to pay a reservation fee so I wouldn't lose my daughter's spot over spring and summer! had to pay more for those dreaded half days and inservice days. before I became a teacher, I started taking off so I wouldn't have to pay for all those days! and late fees were $15 for every 5 minutes after 6 pm!!!

    so now I am late and broke! that was like overdraft fees on your checking account and overlimit fees on your credit card! a vicious cycle.

    I ended up losing my job, and only taking her 2 days a week! In fact, that's how I found my first aide job! principal saw me walking my daughter to school, and I would look for jobs and be back by 3. I could not afford to keep her in Kindercare without a job, but I also couldn't afford to lose her spot, and have to pay reservation fees, or registration fees all over again.

    So, as a parent...too many fees for me! As a teacher, too many rules!
     
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    Wow, what a difference a year makes. I never did go with Kindercare, but I think I am done working with 2's. I loved the kids, but found I am more interested in working with elementary content.
     
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    I could rant all day about 2s. I have a few children in pullups, and developmentally...they are 2! :0

    but...I have a very small classroom..and lots of specialists that come in. that is why I love sp. ed. I dreamed about this, saw it, and now I am living it!

    only 2 yr old I want to see is a 2yr old granchild!

    saying that with lots of love

    more than one 2 yr old in any place is....

    too- two much for me!! :D
     
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    :lol:How very true that statement is:lol:.
     
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    Kindercare

    I work part time for Kindercare and I'm in school full time working on my degree in Early Childhood. The Kindercare I work for is great and my oldest daughter went there for two years before I started working there and my youngest child was there for about a year. I have always thought they were a great daycare because my daughter LOVED going and now that I work there and get to see what it's really like I still think it's a great place. Everything I'm learning in school about developmentally appropriate practice and such is exactly what is being practiced there. On weekends my daughter asks if she's going to Kindercare. We are always doing activities with the kids and they are very well taken care of. I've seen it from a parents perspective and an employees perspective and as far as the kids getting sick that is going to happen anywhere there are groups of children. I feel like it's better to build up their immunity while they're young instead of waiting until they start school and having them sent home all the time. Each and every daycare is different and you can't judge them all based on your experience with one. There's a Kindercare ten minutes away from the one I'm with and I would never work there...it's just like restaurants...I've seen some that are nice and clean and been to others that I wouldn't let my dog eat in...yet they have the same label on their sign. Kindercare is a large chain and you just can't group them together like that. As far as the pay...it could be better, but child care workers and teachers are known for being underpaid. I am in the process of getting a job more in line with my educational experience, but Kindercare is a great place to start and it leaves a good mark on a resume from my experience.
     
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    "and late fees were $15 for every 5 minutes after 6 pm!!!

    so now I am late and broke! that was like overdraft fees on your checking account and overlimit fees on your credit card! a vicious cycle."


    speaking from a parent's perspective....my daughter has been at Kindercare for three years and I have never paid a late fee...because I've never been late. It's clear that they close at 6 and picking up my children comes before anything else...what's more important? People are busy, yes..but they are open from 6:30 am until 6 pm. i'm taking six classes, doing student teaching, and working 20 hours...i still pick my children up on time.

    speaking from a teacher's perspective.... I've worked there for about 6 months....at 6 o clock after sometimes 10 hours of chasing two year olds around or going to school and then doing student teaching and then going to work...i have to go HOME so i can feed MY children, give MY children baths, and get MY children in bed. i love being with the kids i work with, but when it's time to get off work i want to GO HOME just like everyone else. parents more than anybody else should understand and respect that. the late fee is $1 per minute after 6 o clock (which the workers don't get any of, btw) and if it were up to me it would be $5 per minute and the person who had to stay should get the money! pick your kids up on time and you won't have to worry. the end.
     
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    I agree with jenpooh 110% she hit it right on the head, kindercare is buying any and all centers they can because they are into realestate, but there profesional skills on how to run one is terrible, they hire anything/body as long as you pass the background check, they have way too many children in 1 class, they split a class down the middle with bookcases and call it 2 classes, with 19 2 yr olds in there not to include tables, chairs, cubbies, etc, and the rooms looked so dark and un welcoming, in the front of 1 place I checked out the lobby was converted into a room squared off by bookcases etc to form a square bingo we now have a room, very cold as this is where the front door is and some children sleeping outside the so called room in the walkway/halway, they are out for $$$$$$ and it shows, I have found that the smaller private owned places are so much better,
     
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    fine...you could have met me at the bus stop and picked me up! I am a single parent and I was never late on purpose! trains, buses, snow, traffic...none of the above was MY fault! they should know that! some of us don't have the luxury of flying to the day care in our private jets by 5:59pm. besides, I knew the director was always there until 6:30! the teachers did not have to stay!
     
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    money money money

    I know I had a family member work for Kindercare, after being in the same class for 3 mo. and fixing it so nice and bright they transfered her to another class same age and all just another class, like she said the kids and parents get to know you and then one day you are gone, its all about money and how many they can pack in there, but I dont under stand, I for 22 yrs had a in home daycare, LOVED IT!! but I was allowed 5 children max, I had a great total downstairs set up for my kids, and the county use to come for there inspections and always find some little petty prob to be corrected, now they dont seem to have a prob with 19 2yr olds packed in a class half the size of 1 room in my recroom whats wrong with this picture?? money?? maybe alot of the people with all the complaints need to place a call or write a letter to the right county/licencing people.. oh yes and my family member was a lead teacher
     
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    Hmmm... I hear way too much of this, and none of it is an excuse for not being on time. It hurts a child to be the last one picked up when everyone is gone and you can tell the teacher is annoyed.

    Somehow, all the other parents manage to deal with traffic, bus schedules, and snow.

    Single or not, we close at 6. Plan your day accordingly.
     
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    The late fees always went to the teachers after hours when I was a director. The late fee payment was due in hand at the pick up time and handed to the staff who were there with the children who were picked up late. I think that is the fair thing to do too. My fees were $2 per minute.

    And I agree 100%! I understand things happen, accidents, traffic, but if you can't be on time then parents need to find another place to take them who will take them later if it is a reoccuring situation. I had parents who were occassionally late (which is understandable), but then I had those who were late ALL the time...something obviously needs to change if it is a common occurance. Otherwise it's just disrespectful. Close at 6 means close at 6, not 6:05. JMO.

    Oddly enough, in my experiences the ones who were always late were ones who could make their own schedules at work (meaning leaving early to be on time if need be) and had no acceptable excuse for being late. Those who were always on time were the busiest clients...the single moms, the full-time students, etc.
     
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    Thank you, MsWK. I don't work at Kindercare, but it's a similar situation.

    I was our closer over the summer... working 9-6:30 and getting overtime every day because our other closer quit. It's always the same kids who are the last ones in the building, and they know it. They HATE being the last kids there... and as much fun as you hype it up: "hey, will you be my helper and help me go lock the doors? Can you go turn that light off? Let's get all your stuff so that when mom or dad comes you're ready to go." They STILL know they're the last one, and they still hate it.

    What *really* irks me is when (and it's always the same parents) kids are dropped off before 7, and not picked up until after 6. I understand that we have a lot of families who have 1 parent working in the city... so they have to catch a train to get to work on time. That's one of the reasons we're open 6:30-6:30. None of the kids in my class have BOTH parents working in the city, though. Many of them work within 15 minutes of our school. And yet they still feel the need to leave their children at school the whole time we're open. Just because we're open for 12 hours doesn't mean your child needs to BE HERE for 12 hours.

    It irritates me when I see parents of my kids who dropped off before 7:45 (when I get in) doing their grocery shopping at 6:15 and their kids are still at school... and then, of course, they rush rush rush their kid out of the building because they have groceries in the car. Would it really be THAT much more difficult to take your child with you and teach them something and allow them to spend some time with you?

    I'm not a parent yet, but I do feel for the working parents who have to rush around and juggle things to make sure they can pick up their child, or come and get them when they're sick, or stay at home with them. But at the same time, I often think that WE'RE the ones raising their child, and find it a wonder that they spend any time with them at all... by the time they get home, eat dinner, and take a bath, it's time for their kid to be in bed.

    Sorry for the novel ;)
     
  36. Master Pre-K

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    you know, she is 24 now...so this is really a non-issue

    BUT as I said...I was at the mercy of the public transportation system. It was not my fault if I was two minutes late. How do you 'plan your day accordingly' when the trains are running late, busses pass you up, and you get off exactly at 4:30 pm. everyday?! That's why I ended up pulling her out of there. Centers and folks like you are way too insenstitive!

    I am a pre-k teacher too, so I can relate to what is being said...but it's still not considerate to parents who depend on buses! some of us are NOT being late on purpose.

    At one site a teacher was nice enough to suggest that I change centers, and I could make it to that one a lot faster.

    That was a helpful teacher.
     
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    I think we should treat parents like our kids, as individuals.

    Don't lump us all together, unless you want to complain about us in another thread...

    If you say you have parents who are constantly late, why not sit down and talk to to them, and see what you can do to help.

    It is different when you know, for example, they are college students, and there is no school that day, and they come dragging their tails in at 6:03pm.

    Sometimes, things are beyond the control of parents. And if it becomes a problem, let them know. Maybe a late payment letter from you might be enough to convince their employer to change their hours!
     
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    We too have the same problem but what gets me is that our diector does not enforce theb regulation that children may only spend 10 hours (ONLY!!!) a day at daycare. This is a licensing regulation but it is never enforced.
     
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    MPK, I totally see what you're saying, but I also agree with the other side as well. As a director, I had to treat everyone equally, parents and staff. If one was late, then I had to enforce policy regardless of who it was. Fair is fair, and policy is policy. Parents know that ahead of time before signing up what time we close, and if they can not make it in by that time then a different center may be what they need. To me, it's not insensitive, it's running a business and making sure that business is being taken care of properly. When a staff member is scheduled til close, and close is 6pm, they should be able to leave at 6pm knowing the parent will uphold the contract that they signed.

    I'll give you an example of why I stopped helping the ones who were consistantly late. One of my daycare moms set her own hours. She was a VP. She was consistantly late, paying late fees up the whazoo every week. She asked if she could stretch her hours 15 minutes passed the closing time. Well, for one, I can't because I was licensed for only a specific time and being this was in my home, 11 hours a day was plenty for me and I need MY time too, with MY family, and MY kids, and make MY family's dinner. Also, I knew if I allowed her an extra 15 minutes, she'd just show up an extra 10 minutes late after that new time. I went on maternity leave, and guess what the sub said? You got it...she extended her hours for her and she was STILL late! I KNEW it!

    That scenerio right there is why I wouldn't bend on rules, esp. late fees and opening/closing hours. I set those policies for a reason and they weren't set to be broken, and if you don't stick to them you will get walked all over and taken advantage of. We can't tell who will and who wont take advantage of us so that is why policies must be stuck to, and that includes imposing late fees when late. It's not always an easy fix like changing the hours. It's many times a lot easier said than done, and usually a center is not going to change those types of things for one or two parents like it usually seems to be. We wouldn't walk into Walmart and demand they change their policies or their hours of operation. Daycares/schools are not any different.

    Anyways, that is my take. Like I said, occassional lateness I could deal with, but if a parent is that consistantly late then they need to fine somewhere else that will accomodate them better. JMO though. No tomatoes please. :)
     
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    We have a rule like that too.
     
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    I, too, take public transportation. If a parent is late picking up in the evening, I can't make my train and I have to wait another hour for the next one. That's pretty insensitive to the people caring for their children all day. I've got my own family to get home to. Parents need to respect policies and procedures or find somewhere else that provides what they need.
     
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