K Kid Suspended!

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  1. mrsc_teaches

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    Last week I was physically attacked by one of my K kids for 2 days. Biting, hitting, punching, feet stomping, and the finale, grab and yanked out a handful of hair. Finally my friend was suspended.
    Today was SO PEACEFUL!! My friend will be back on Thursday and I am worried, I dont want to spend more days being attacked, it really hurts my soul.
    Come on XMAS Break!!!
     
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  3. czacza

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    Hopefully your friend leaned a lesson.:hugs:
     
  4. mopar

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    Do you work in a school for children with behavior needs?

    If not, you really need to document, document, document and work with your administration to find an appropriate placement for this child. Something is going on that is causing him/her to act this way.

    Do you have a guidance counselor/social worker that sees this child?
     
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    Oh my... I hope the principal is supporting you by giving you some help for this child. It couldn't have "just happened". He/She must be going through something. I hope YOU are okay! I know it was just a little one, but you've got to be a little scared! Make sure that the school is supporting you. Talk to your union rep and see if there is anything that they can do to protect you.

    HUGS and I will be thinking of you on Thursday!
     
  6. christine89

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    I know what you're going through, although it didn't get as extreme. I have one that would scratch, kick, hit, actually hit me in the stomach with his knee, and pulled (hard) on the necklace I was wearing. He got one day of in-school suspension and we now have a para in with him every day until he is evaluated. There's a lot of defiance and anger issues, so hopefully soon we will have some answers on how to handle it. Like I said, what I went through seems small compared to your ordeal, but hopefully he learns something from the suspension so that it does not become a regular thing.
     
  7. cutNglue

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    I agree with this. Suspension alone, especially at this age, is likely to not have any lasting effect (if any). The child needs more intervention.
     
  8. mrsc_teaches

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    Thanks all. Another peaceful day today and the children listened and walked in the hall SO WELL!! I am seriously being spoiled!
    My P has talked about having him evaluated and I am sure if the behavior continues he will be. The mom brought in some paperwork from the doctor for me to fill out.
    I am torn. He is SUPER smart can read anything you put infront of him reads on a B level already. I seriously feel he is very ADHD with anger as well. He can also be very helpful, he files my papers to the children in mailboxes (a job I hate!)
    I hope he gets help.
    Oh and someone said something about being afraid, yes I am but not necessarily of him but of what he may do to the other children. The times he has hurt me has been because I stepped in between him and another child, that is my job though to protect the children.
     
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    I have a child who is awaiting a neurologist visit to be put on meds for ODD. He is in a cycle of attending part of a day, being suspended, returning a couple of days later, only to be sent home the very same day. It's sad to see this type of behavior in such a young child. Hopefully the new physician will be able to assist him. I have been slapped on the arms and struck on my torso by him. He has also punched other students in the chest and shoulder area.
     
  10. christine89

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    Ok, now this really sounds like the boy in my K class. He is also VERY smart, that's what everyone who has evaluated him so far has said, to which I always think in my head "Yes, but that's not the problem!! He's got serious anger issues!" I too have been afraid of what he will do to the other children and I wish I could say that he has not hurt any of them since hurting me. Right now we are in a process of not knowing exactly what we are dealing with so we don't have specific ways of dealing with his behaviors yet. He is going to a child psychologist this week so hopefully that brings answers. Just as I hope the boy in my class gets some help, I hope yours does too.
     
  11. cutNglue

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    My own personal story: Take what you need from it.

    Just because it doesn't seem to be his main issues doesn't mean the other ones aren't valid issues or even that the anger isn't a symptom or reaction related to it. Yet at the same time, it could be something else that co-occurs with other issues.

    I've been there when I said, "but that's not his MAIN issue."

    My own child is very very bright. High IQ bright.
    He has the anger issues. (Interesting because he also has the biggest heart)
    He was physically aggressive, mostly at staff.
    He shuts down.
    He can't process the situation quite like I expect him to sometimes.
    He was suspended in K and 1st A LOT! (in multiple placements)
    Even when he was in school, he was only in the classroom engaged about 25% of the time! (according to documentation)
    He has had diagnosis soup.
    He was put in a hospital to help diagnosis and get him the support he needed immediately.
    Still has diagnosis soup.
    The alternative placement was heaven sent!
    He is now mainstreamed (3rd grade) with an IEP. He still struggles some but the difference between then and now is DRAMATIC.

    Is this the same path for all students? No. Do all anger issues lead to similar diagnoses? Obviously not or it would be much easier to diagnosis him.

    He continues to get therapeutic support in school. The more strategies he is taught and now to better communicate his needs, wants and frustrations and how to calm himself down, etc. the better he does. More importantly, we have identified triggers and approaches that work. With the right support, he is a much much different kid. Usually the issues I run into now stem from others insisting he march to the same drummer. He thinks differently. Does he still need support. Yes, but at the same time he also uses what he learns far more nowadays than ever.

    Suspending him only helped him lose instruction. Getting him the support he needed was the right answer.
     
  12. Lanie

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    I'm so sorry that happened to you. It does sound like your 'friend' needs a few interventions. I'm glad his mom is taking him to a doctor.
     
  13. mrsc_teaches

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    Thank you for your story it reminded me that I forgot to mention our school is very familiar with this type of children. We are regular education and we have an wing for children like this classrooms specifically staffed to help with my friend, extra staff, psychologist, and social worker. Everytime I tell someone he is so bright I think about this wing because most of the kids there are really bright.
    Think of me tomorrow, I saw him yesterday and he was keyed up!! I hope tomorrow is calm and peaceful!!
     
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    I can definitely imagine those kinds of things happening in a classroom. I'd be really interested in any details you have on the solutions to the suspensions of the perhaps unruly, smart students (ie. what worked and what didn't).
     
  15. mrsc_teaches

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    The suspension didnt phase him at all!! I didnt think it would, but it did provoke the mother to call the doctor so now I have paperwork to fill out on him.
    Today he was ok till about 1 and then he was on a downhill slide! Ended the day with me carrying him to the front of the building 10 minutes after dismissal to mom on the front steps. I didnt know she was there it was a coincidence. Today he tried to scratch me.
    I have been firmer with him, making him stay in his seat, making him really earn his computer time and forcing him to participate in circle time. (In the past I would let him sit next to me or in his seat (which is near my desk and the carpet) to allow me to get through a lesson. Now he has to give me the time.
    The teachers who specialize in working with these children have told me to set clear expectations that may be higher than the other students and to be firm and follow through on consequences. He responded well yesterday but I expected a period of fighting back till he settles into the routine.
     
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    You said he was OK until about 1. What happened between 12 and 1? What did he eat? Did he have time to run at recess? Who did he sit with/ play with?

    Was he facing a long afternoon?
     
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    Excellent questions Alice!

    So many of my kiddo come back from lunch/recess & then they have a difficult time calming down. Some are exhausted by this time of the day & can't wait for nap time.
     
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    Is there any sort of pattern to his outbursts? Are they more likely to be in the morning, the afternoon, before/after snack or recess or circle time?

    In addition to documenting what's happening, it would probably be useful to document what happened in the time period before, and what was expected to happen after, the outburst.

    The aim, of course, is to get to the root of the problem. If something as "easy" as a dietary fix can alleviate the problem, the doctor will need this info.
     
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    I'm just wondering if any of the parents of the other kids are ever informed that their child is in class all day with a ticking time bomb. This non-disclosure to parents for the sake of the offending student's privacy really fuels parents' distrust of the schools.
     
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    I don't know... as a parent, I don't distrust my kids' schools.

    And my kids have always come home every night, telling me about their day. When they were little, that always included who got in trouble. So I've always had a pretty good idea of which kids were the more challenging behavior issues.

    That "ticking time bomb" is a 5 year old child.

    This one 5 year old is desperately in need of help. Otherwise, In a heartbeat, he'll be a 15 year old with the same issues. And a heartbeat later, he'll be 25. And then we'll all have a problem.
     
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    This sort of tracking/documentation will be very helpful when planning any interventions. When we call in an outside "team" for behaviour support, the first thing they ask for is ABC tracking. The immediate antecedent to an outburst helps immensely when trying to change or eliminate certain behaviours.
     
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    I need to write a couple of behavior plans for several of my kinders. This year their behavior is not as severe as the OPs, but a couple I have noted patterns for. A couple, it's a continous problem all day long.
     
  23. mrsc_teaches

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    I have no idea!!!!
    I have been keeping notes and I cant pinpoint a thing. He eats a school lunch with no snacks so I can rule out a food dye to spike behavior (My son has a reaction to red dye 40 so that was my initial thought. I do watch my kinder friend and keep the dye away from him in class when I can.)
    We dont have recess after lunch it is later in the afternoon, I could suggest about 10 minutes of outside time and see if that may help but we eat lunch early about 10:30 and I think 1 is just his I am finished time. It is also mainly Thursdays and Fridays that he struggles. He has an April b-day (I was checking for a young kinder) and was in Head Start last year (that may have been a half day, not sure.) I just think he is done by Thursday and starts the slide down and Friday morning he is humoring me and just cant control himself in the afternoon. Every incident I have had with him has occurred on a Thursday or Friday.
     
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    Could the kid possibly need an afternoon snack?
     
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    Since his challenges tend to happen later in the week, what can you do to help him? Can he be put on a 1/2 day schedule or a 4 day week or 4 1/2 day week? Can you change your day around so that Friday afternoons are more fun based?

    We do a Friday Movie Club during nap time. Those kids who have earned it get to watch a movie during nap time. My kiddos go almost immediately to P.E. & when they come back I only have abouot 1/2 hour after they change their shoes. I love it!
     
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    This is a good idea! I will try it when we get back from break. This week we have a celebration so Thursday will be wild anyway!

    We do have Fun Fridays complete with a snack and movie or maybe a dance. He will watch a movie but not so much interested in the dance part. sometimes we have extra outside time too but with the weather being cold it will probably be extra center time (kids choice) or a movie.
    I am considering suggesting an early pickup on Thursdays and Fridays, maybe that would help. I need to discuss it with my P. She has told him if he has a good day he gets a special Principal treat. He earned one today!!
     
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    How close is 1 o'clock to your dismissal time?

    I know that many of my students with emotional and behavioral disorders began to struggle near transition time. It has something to do with leaving the safe, structured environment of the classroom and heading home. Fridays were always hardest for the students because they knew that they had a weekend of home. And any days before a long holiday tended to bring up these feelings as well.

    Maybe you could suggest that the social worker see him on Thursday afternoons...
     
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    About 1 hour 30 min. I never thought of this. I need to research this
     
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    Transitions are challenging for a lot of people, frankly.
     
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    How did the next day go? Hopefully your "friend" has learned an important lesson. Such a shame you need to deal with this.
     
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    After you read this you'll probably say, "Duuh, Lindsey....I knew that!", but this year I have learned that the more you know about the kid's home life, the better you will understand them.

    I have a doozy of a class this year, but with help from our transition coach I have discovered that many of my kids come from crazy backgrounds that affect them today. They don't just throw chairs for no reason--something at home is making them angry! As an adult, I can leave my garbage at home, but they don't know how to do that yet. Be that's Mama's buddy--I'm on your side, what can I help you with/do, we both want him to succeed, how can we do that together? Once you get Mama on your side, she will spill and you will get insight.

    Another thing-you can't bring up the past--they don't remember yesterday. Tell him that the day is fresh and we will have a good day. Not easy, I know, but it will help.

    I feel for you! I hope your friend gets help--by the end of the year I bet he'll be your best friend!
     

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