Just Curious, Does your administration Micromanage?

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  1. MelissainGA

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    I am just curious if anyone else's administration micromanages their teaching. We received notice last week that starting next month everything that is assigned to students will have to be approved to make sure it is challenging enough. We are talking ALL assignments. We have also been cut to just 12 copies per student per month and if our team asks to have something copied we are more often than not told no. They wouldn't even approve fact assessments (which aren't provided by our Math curriculum) even though we are supposed to make sure they are profficient in multiplication (and they don't even know their addition and subtraction). We are also going to have to provide the element that each assignment and center activity goes with or they can have us remove the activity (even though the children don't have the skills from the level before). Any suggestions? Anyone else having to deal with this type of micromanagement also?
     
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    The admin at my last school micromanaged, though not as bad as your school. Thankfully my new school does not micromanage. They allow us to be professionals.
     
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    Wow, that is very stringent. No, ours allows us to use our curriculum or not, add to it, use other sources, etc. We don't even turn in lesson plans.
     
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    I used to. We had to turn our lesson plans in a week ahead (of course if you're really basing instruction on your students' needs you might not know what you'd need to teach at that time). They would be read with a fine toothed comb and approved or disapproved. Often disapproved. Anything we wanted to have copied had to be approved. It seemed as though the administration just assumed that we were stupid. I was reprimanded in the hall (in view of parents and students) for something that was perceived about my plans. It was horrible. We were not supposed to review anything that they learned in the grade before. We were to assume that they all knew it. Then if anything went wrong - like children not knowing what we were told not to teach (because it wasn't rigorous enough) it was our fault. You have my sympathy. I work for different administrators now they trust teachers (unless there is evidence they shouldn't). Hang in there. It is hard for the administration to keep up this level of micromanagement. Sooner or later they have to focus on the teachers that need scrutiny and stop driving away quality teachers or they will burn themselves out.
     
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    My P is beginning to. As a matter of fact, I know 2 teachers that have been at my school their entire careers (6 and 12 years) are talking about leaving if it doesn't improve.

    Some people were having a personal (non school related) spat and she tried to get in the middle of it. She is also getting really specific and picky about certain things :down:
     
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    Ick. No. Just when I think things can't get any more ridiculous...
     
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    Our school is recovering from a system where the admin didn't do enough managing.
     
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    Our school might be headed for Program Improvement due to test scores so there is so much more micro managing going on right now. It is a pain. It is part of NCLB and if you are in PI, it will get worse...
     
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    No micromanagement at my school thank goodness. I would go nuts. Your situation sounds rather extreme with the assignment approval. I would take them at their word and send every last stinking thing to the office for approval, completely inundate them. If this suddenly becomes a major inconvenience they might back of. As for the worksheet thing, well you are just going to have to get creative. I know of some schools that have completely outlawed worksheets and photocopies for students. I'm sure there are some exceptions (like if a child is absent and needs class notes?) but just about everything is taught and assessed in class or with 'authentic work". I guess that means investigations, writing, etc. rather than just drills and practice.
     
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    I'm praying the NCLB goes by the wayside when the new president takes office, who ever it is.
     
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    I require all MS/HS SS teachers to turn in weekly lesson plans, not really for approval, but just for me to see where everyone is. I teach three classes of my own, and am responsible for 30 teachers and this helps me keep up with everything. I also have some general expectations for those in my department to follow, but I do not dictate what must be done in their classroom.
     
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    No, thank goodness! I would not be teaching if that were the case. We all have our own approaches, and as long as we cover the standards and hit the high points on the course of study, we're left alone. And we are one of the top high schools in the state, according to Newsweek!
     
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    No and boy am I glad. This seems a little extreme to have every assignment approved. How many teachers are in your school? This must make admin job a lot harder.
     
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    The only thing my P has us turn in is lesson plans every week. She says it's not to check up on us, but rather, to be aware of what each class in focusing on so if she stops in to visit and has something to share about the topic, she knows what's going on.

    But as far as copies go...we're pretty free to copy what we want. That would really stink to have limitations on that.
     
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    We are managed, not micromanaged. We have to turn in weekly lesson plans that my P says are more of a guideline and not written in stone. We are free to change course if we need to. She simply needs to have records of what her teachers are doing in order to satisfy the state.

    As far as copies are concerned, we are given a set amount of paper each year and once we run through that we have to provide our own. In other words, it's up to us how much we want to copy...we just have to pay for it after a case of paper.
     
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    Micromanaging

    This is rediculous,they may has well tell you what they want you to teach.It is a result of administrators running scared becaus of NCLB and the emphasis on test scores. Nobody cares if the students really learn anything,it's how they scored on the stupid state exams. That is all we talk about at our useless faculty conference.
    My administrators are too lazy to go through all this,so they just roam around to try and catch you doing something they feel is wrong, Of course so teachers who kiss ass get away with more then other teachers who stand up for their rights. Welcome to public education2008.:help:
     
  18. mmswm

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    I've pointed this out before, but what has it come to when when a teacher won't even send her kids to public schools. Before this year, my kids went to a catholic school.
     
  19. runsw/scissors

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    I know of quite a few public school teachers that send their kids to Catholic schools for the religion programs. They'd teach in the Catholic schools too if the pay was enough, but sadly it is not. The simple truth is that public schools can afford to pay better.
     
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    Micro Managers, in general, are very weak people.....

    Major....:):)
     
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    My P is a HUGE micromanager. We turn in weekly lesson plans, a weekly behavior chart, and starting this year, a new binder in which we have to record ALL teacher/parent communication (including speaking to a parent when the child is dropped off/picked up, etc.) We also have to keep 3 portfolios on each child with homework, all assessments, and copies of authentic work (ie, nothing goes home!!). We have to turn in data at different times during the year to show why we are teaching what we are teaching...which doesn't even make sense because we use scripted math and reading programs....:eek:
    Anyways, I am sorry you are going through this. I agree that a lot of it has to do with NCLB. All I can hope for is for my P to retire or to find a new job....or to just deal with it and pray that I make it through another year!:dizzy:
     
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    ME TOO!! Not to start a political thing, but I know I specifically heard Barack say he would get rid of NCLB.

    These stories are horrible. Teaching has got to be the least respected profession there is.
     
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    The religion program was a bonus. I'd quit my job before I'd send them to the public schools around here.
     
  24. runsw/scissors

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    mmmm...some school districts are like that. Most of the public schools in my area are pretty good. When I was little we lived down south for a few months and my mom was just beside herself at the idea she might have to put me in the local public schools for a year. I guess they were way behind where the schools were at home.
     
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    Last year, I would have said yes. That is until I read what is happening at your school, it was nothing like that. This year things are much better (and we are all much happier!)
     
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    As for the public schools in this area...most of them are academically very far behind (other parts of the county aren't so bad), but, beyond that, they're also not very safe. One of my neighbors just pulled her kids because the school is very anti-parent and unsafe. Parents aren't even allowed into the building on the first day to walk their pre-kers to their classes, let alone any other time of the school year. The elementary schools don't even have parking for parents...at all. The final straw was when her kid got beat up on the bus (a 2nd grader, my 7yo's friend) by a repeating 6th grader (13yo) and the school refused to do anything about it until she brought in our other neighbor...the cop. Once it became a metro call, they finally did something, but before that they refused to even speak to the mother. Sorry for the :hijack:
     
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    Wow. What I am reading is really shocking.

    A district in our area is striking and one of the reasons is for a curriculum plan that requires each teacher to be on the same lesson on the same day, no veering from the curriculum at all!

    Here is what the union is stating:

    http://www.bellevueea.com/images/stories/pdf/curriculum_issues.pdf

    I am SO glad I teach in a private school. I can do what I want with my class. We only got actual CURRICULUM this year! I am gladly using it, as I am teaching a new level, but I think we will have a lot of flexibility with the curriculum.
     
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    I'm really big into admin keeping their hands off my classroom- your rules would make me start looking around at other schools for next year. I need control of what goes on, or I go crazy. The principal tried to tell me the other day I couldn't let kids eat whenever they wanted to. That really turned me off, although I was very calm in the meeting and let my passive aggressive side take over. I turn my lesson plans in each Monday morning, but I don't think she really looks at them-I make them pretty detailed, so she probably thinks they are OK with just a glance. She's also trying to tell me how to run my reading program (centers in third grade??), and gave me a pretty specific daily schedule that I modified a bit. I've always been very independent and stubborn, and it's one of the reasons I'm leaning towards just opening my own school soon. I'm sick of other people dictating how I should work-that's why I would suck in an office environment.

    It's funny, because I'm a democrat in my political leanings, but I guess I'm very republican when it comes to my classroom-HANDS OFF! :woot:
     
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    Thankfully, our principal and AP know the difference between 'managing' and 'micromanaging'. The P sends out daily emails with the important info for the day, and we have to do weekly lesson plans and attendance reports to keep the State off our backs paperwork-wise. That aside, teachers are given freedom to teach as they wish, just so long as those standards are being covered!
     
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    Yes, our P has become obsessive about what is going on in each classroom. He even called himself a "micromanager" the other day, sort of poking fun at himself. He's so uptight that the school is not going to pass AYP or not rank as high as it has in the past.

    But the thing is, we always ranked high in our county because the principals before him believe in us and felt we were professionals. He's causing more problems with his insisting that we all teach using certain programs. I think we'll become a Title One school very soon.

    I just want to throttle him and say "Hands off. Go bother the teachers who are having problems. Stop telling me how to teach! Haven't I proved it enough with previous years' test scores?"
     
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    I would think that if I was the principal trying to micromanage a school like that I would burn out before the end of the year!

    I love my principal. If there was a fault with him it might be that he tends not to manage enough... but in general we've got a great staff so it's not a big issue.
     
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    We had a micromanager last year. She was sticking her nose into things that weren't really her concern. She told me that she didn't like the way I had my tables arranged and thought that it would be best if I rearranged my classroom. She also thought some of the clubs had policies that she thought were impractical. She didn't even fully understand how they operated.
    Thankfully, we have never been denied paper or copies. How can they expect you to teach without supplies? I just kept thinking to myself "I have been here longer than she has and I will outlast her."
    Best of luck with your issues, I can truely sympathize.
     
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    Thanks for the opinions so far. I needed somewhere where I could vent and know that I was ok to do so. Today, there was a "walkthrough" and I noticed the P looking @ my center signs. Each sign has the standard and the element posted on the top of the directions for the students. Didn't say a word just gave me this very quizzical look. My feelings on the subject are I have two degrees, Bachelor's and Masters (three if you count my Assoc. in Business Mgt. that I got just because I had so many courses as an undergrad) as well as three endorsements (Reading Specialist, English Language Learners, and Computer Technology), don't insult me by acting as if I don't know how to plan appropriate lessons for my students.

    Midwestteacher, that's what I keep telling myself. In the 6 years that I have been here this is the 3rd administration and the first time that at least part of the administration team didn't change.

    I can't wait for them to see what I plan on doing with my Math centers (came in during reading today so looked at those). Let's just say it ought to be interesting :).
     
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    When our P does walk throughs, she reserves the right to ask the students what they are learning and why they are learning it...claiming that if our objectives are posted in the room (which they must be), the kids should know....um, hello, in kindergarten??? She stresses me out.
    As a PP said, we all have to be teaching the same thing at the same time- she wants to be able to walk from one room to another and basically see a continuation of the same lesson. It is very constraining, and I am thinking of looking elsewhere next year :(
    Melissa, it sounds like you are doing a good job...why your principal would look at your quizzically is beyond me. Good luck with those math centers!
     
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    Thank goodness they don't micromanage. I do have to buy copying paper every week. I don't mind as they let me use the copying machine.
     
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    Is every student in your school on the same level in all subject areas,so that every lesson should be exactly the same?Sounds strange to me.:confused:
     
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    I think it is funny that the standards have to be posted for the kids to see. Hello, they can't read them yet. Let them understand what they are being taught without having to add extra constraints.

    I can understand having every classroom the same philosophy but it is too constraining.

    What happened to kids not realizing just how much they are learning because they did it in a hands on, interactive, fun way.
     
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    Exactly!! How are we supposed to differentiate instruction when we are all supposed to be in the same place at the same time?! It makes NO sense...And, even if we are teaching the same thing, all teachers teach differently, so everyone would be in a different place...ugh, it is just irritating.
    And cutNglue, I agree; why post the objectives when the kids can't read them? It takes up a chalkboard I could be using for instruction (or at least a center), and even if I read it to the kids, the language means nothing to them. Oh well, I just do what I'm told...lol:whistle:
     
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    Oh my! Are you at my school? We also are micromanaged. Although it is lessoning on the veteren teachers. The biggest thing is copies. We have to have EVERYTHING that we want copied approved and then an aide does it and it is returned within 48 hours (often copied incorrectly, etc, which I don't ahve time for!)
    It's my opionon that there is such pressure put on the administrators from the board and supers that they feel that micromanaging is the only way. However WRONG it is, many of these people have not worked in a professional or corporate environment and their actual management skills are poor. I was lucky enough to work in the corporate world for a few years before landing a teaching job. Beacuse of this experience, I find micromanaging very annoying and difficult.
     
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    Little Ann: I'm sorry, but you should mind that you have to buy copy paper. We are teachers, not office suppliers. Your school should be responsible for these things, if not your parents. You don't see public accountants bringing their own supplies to work. We provide enough as teachers. Paper for student work should not be your responsibility.
     
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    Oh my... I couldn't imagine. I am thankful that my admin is very hands off. Good luck to you!

    As a side note, I did have a friend who taught at a different school whose P decided last year that every bulletin board in the whole school (K-8) had to have the exact same format and information on them. What a way to crush creativity!!
     

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