July CSET

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  1. Teacherpam

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    I am taking the CSET 7/22 and have just finished the school year. We got out late this year. I am on a crash course to study. I have missed passing the CSET for the last 2 years (have taken it twice a yr by one and seven points). Any extra advice would be appreciated. Yes I have the "what every ..grader should know for the 4th /5th grades and the Cliff Notes.
    This is a great post and I thank you.
     
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    CSET-MS is three subtests. Do you mean you've come up short for all three, or just one, or what?

    What grade have you been teaching? And where, very roughly, are you located?
     
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    Yes I have come up short on all 3. I have been teaching grades 3,4,5 and an intervention reading specialist and a new teacher mentor.
    I am northern california. Because of NCLB I will not have a job in the public school.
     
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    Is what's giving you grief the multiple choice or the constructed response?
     
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    Hello
    I think this is where I should post this question but I am new to this whole chatting on the net experience so if I'm in the wrong "room" or whatever in cyberspace please redirect me. After a graduate degree and many years at home with the kids, I've decided to get credentialed as a teacher. I'll be taking the CSET in September. I am naively assuming that if I study for the next couple of months I will be able to take and pass all 4 sections at one time. I am getting the troubling sense that I would do well to rethink this plan. I would like to jump through this hoop as efficiently as possible. To that end I have purchased several CSET study manuals and I plan on reading and completing them from end to end. Will that suffice or do I have to study more thoroughly?
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    If you're taking four subtests, you're taking CSET Single Subject English. The Single Subject Tests subforum is a better choice for you.

    If you've bought "several CSET study manuals", you must have bought manuals for CSET Multiple Subjects. You may find useful test taking tips there, plus some helpful background, but there really isn't anything on the market that's actually designed for CSET English. (On balance, I think this is not necessarily a bad thing.)

    Where in the state are you located, and what's your background?
     
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    CSET anxiety

    Both are giving me grief at this point. It was a combination. This week I am reading along with Cliff notes "What Every fourth grader needs to know". I think the World history section is going to get me.
    I did buy the Times book you had suggested in a previous thread.
    Thank you
     
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    Sounds like you're writing yourself some failure scripts here, teacherpam. I bet you wouldn't let a second grader get away with that, so please don't do it to yourself, okay?

    If you bought the Times history, use it - you may well find it easier to follow than Cliffs. Download and print the Subject Matter Requirements from the CSET Web site as a guide to what you need to know (what isn't on that document isn't your problem). And use what you know about human behavior to help you make sense of what happens in history: revolutions and all that don't just happen spontaneously. It's generally more important on Subtest II to have a sense of the story and of causes and consequences than it is to know specific dates.

    Got questions about history? Post 'em here: this board can make a fine virtual study group.
     
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    Thank you so much for all your advice.
     
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    Teacherpam

    I was reading some of your posts and I feel you. I'm taking the test on July 22nd for the fourth time and am struggling with multiple choice questions on the reading and language portion and the constructive response questions on the science and math section. I also deal with major test anxiety.

    I've been using the cliffs notes and kaplan study guides as well as surfing the web about scince and math terms and word problems.
     
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    Kelster, do you work with kids? If so, try to visualize them as you take the test: during CSET, that is, what you're REALLY doing is helping a bunch of stuck kids deal with the information, but it just happens that you're doing this via machine-readable form.

    Here's something you might find helpful with the test anxiety:

    Platonic Realms, http://www.mathacademy.com/pr/minitext/anxiety/index.asp
     
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    Thank You

    Hi TeacherGroupie,

    Well, I did work with kids this past semester. I was in my first semester of my student teaching program and I was in a Kindergarten class.

    I liked the web site you gave me. It has some very useful tips for dealing with test anxiety. I'm sure I will go back and reread it several times in the next week as a way to help calm my nerves before the test next Saturday.
     
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    Treat yourself as gently as you treated your kids, okay?
     
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    Studying Anyone

    I am in the Sacramento area and will be taking the CSET on July 22nd. Is there anyone who would like to get together and do a study session this week? I am taking sections 1 and 2, and probably need much more work on section 2.

    Kelly
     
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    Feel free to post questions here: someone's bound to come up with answers, or at least responses that will help you feel a little less totally alone-and-bereft.
     
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    Teachergroupie
    Thanks for the site I especially like #4 on taking exams
    "It is extremely common to get the exam, look at the questions, and feel that you can’t work a single problem. Panic sets in. You see everyone else working, and become certain you are doomed".


    I felt this exact way but yes I did what they had recommended and I took a huge deep breath and let it out slowly and then found some questions that I were able to answer easily: this in fact boosted my confidence and then, I was beginning to relax more and my brain began to work...At least that is what I did....I hope to remember for this weeks test.
    I am going to do all of the same things I did to prep for the last test:
    DayBefore
    Spend some time looking over things early in the morning (I know you recommend not doing anything the day before but I would literally climb my walls and that would be a nice thing:)
    I stop early and we go out to eat to have a relaxing nice evening
    Get your ticket stub, pencils,car keys, and anything else purse, water.
    Go to bed at a decent time.
    Get up early, eat a good breakfast ( I usually never did before test and guess what I was a mess) Thanks for the tip on this one
    Allow for ample time to get there and sit in parking lot to unwind before test.
     
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    Hi Kelster
    I am taking Sub II on Saturday.
    What do you feel you need help most in Sub II. Feel free to post would like to do some practice...TeacherGroupie ready to play? Any one else interested? Math is especially my weakness but trying to overcome that obstacle.Maybe pose some Math questions or if you want some Science?
     
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    Hi WonderW05
    In meeting with a tutor last week, my problem is with the constructive responses. She feels that I am not organizing my responses well. For the most part, I have all the parts but the writing and figures are all mixed in which my tutor thought was confusing. But I don't know how else to write these responses.

    I need help with probability questions. They give me such grief. Any suggestions?

    I am also, starting to go into my panic mode. This always happens to me the week of the test. This testing is particularly important to me because if I don't pass it this time I won't be able to do my last semester of student teaching. I am having a difficult time putting that in the back of my mind and concentrating on my studying. I need to figure out how to stay in the moment and stay focused on studying and not the what if's. Any suggestions?

    Kelly
     
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    Now, now, WW: I have never said not to study the DAY before The Big Test: what I say is not to cram on the EVENING before the late test. In fact, I give you leave to study on Friday, July 21, up until 6:17 p.m. exactly... but no later.

    It's not clear who else is around at this hour, so why don't you choose a question to post, and let's play with it?
     
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    - Wait, wait, Kelster's asking for probability. All right!

    So, K: have you got a probability problem you'd like to ask about?
     
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    Let me dig one up for you. Do write out the actual problem or what?
     
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    You know...I feel you on going into panic mode..I do the same during the final countdown....I guess that is why I am up tonight becuase I have CSET on my brain. I also cannot student teach until I finish my last subtest..It really sucks. I have finished everything except 14 weeks of ST and one management class. All I can offer to you is remember the Purpose, Knowledge and Support. When thinking of how you respond to the question make sure you are covering these areas. I cannot stress this enough. I took Sub I in March(?) yeah and so for the CR I immediately wrote Purpose, Support and Knowledge next to my answer sheet so I would remember. I also put myself in sub teacher mode and how would I expain this to my students. I was able to kick the anxiety aside and do what I love to do the most and that is.....teach. I hope this helps. I also need help in the probability area. I think TeacherGroupie could help us in this department. I guess that is why I never gamble and play dice..I don't understand the odds of winning.Good luck and post as often as you like even to vent or destress..I do...and there is always someone who will listen here.
     
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    Oops! sorry:eek: Okay then I am safe then whew! I think last time I studied up until around 6:30 on the last test. Then I went and enjoyed pizza...MMMMMmmm. And I didn't even practice my fractions while eating the pizza at the parlor. See, I was good:D
     
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    LARGE hug, WW.

    Probability is outcomes we want divided by outcomes that are possible. Now let's consider the average die. (A single one isn't a "dice", it's a "die". I'm not making this stuff up.) How many sides has it got? six. How many numbers are written on its sides? six. What are the possible rolls from a single die? Guess what: six. That is, you can roll a 1 or a 2 or a 3 or a 4 or a 5 or a 6. So what is the probability of rolling a four? 1/6: that is, there are six possible outcomes, of which only one is a four.

    Now suppose we have a twelve-sided die. (Yes, they exist. Ask any devotee of role-playing games.) Twelve possible outcomes, yes? And what's the probability of rolling a four? 1/12, because there's only one four.
     
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    Thank you WonderW05, I really like that idea of immediately writing support, purpose and knowledge on the response sheet, I will try that. The visualizing the students and how to explain it to them is also another good idea.

    Where are you doing your program?
     
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    Noticing that slices of pizzas are fractions is legal, dear, and a very good idea. Noticing connections between Real Life on the one hand and Things We Need To Know For The Test on the other is a very good way to study, and is ALWAYS to be encouraged.

    The whole common denominator thing is simply about re-cutting the pizza into more manageable pieces, after all.

    If you didn't have a beer, I hope you had a really high-class root beer. (There's science in the carbonation...)
     
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    You had a probability question, Kelster? Or do you want me to continue my explanation? Or both?
     
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    What about coin flipping probability questions?
     
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    both
     
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    both, continue with your explanation and can you explain about coin flipping probability too
     
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    Probability, continued...

    Back to the standard six-sided cubical die. What is the probability of rolling EITHER a three OR a four on a single roll? Well, how many numbers on the die are equal to either a three or a four? 2: if we roll the three, we're happy, and if we roll the four, we're happy. In other words, our probability is 1/6 + 1/6 = 2/6 = 1/3.

    Now there also exist four-sided dice. (A four-sided die is called a tetrahedron; it looks like a little pyramid with a triangular base.) What is the probability of rolling a four with one of those?
     
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    1/4
     
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    uuhhh...1/4? because it is a four sided die and there is only one possibe outcome of rolling a 4.
     
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    Your quick Kelster....don't give up just yet...I bet your the type who goes down fightin' Keep up the great job! I got your back:)
     
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    so in other words I should have explained why I said 1/4?
     
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    Coin-flipping? Okay: consider the average American penny. It's got two sides, yes? On one side is Mr. Lincoln; on the other, the Lincoln Memorial. So that means that, for any given single flip of the coin, there are two possible outcomes. Therefore the probability of getting the Lincoln Memorial is 1/2.

    Now suppose you have a penny and a dime, and you flip them together. What are the chances of getting Lincoln and Roosevelt? Well, let's list the possible outcomes with the two coins:

    Lincoln, Roosevelt
    Lincoln, torch (tails)
    Memorial, Roosevelt
    Memorial, torch

    No other outcomes possible, right? (Nod, please. Thank you.) So there are four possible outcomes of which just one - Lincoln and Roosevelt - is the one we wanted. The probability of getting Lincoln and Roosevelt is therefore 1/4. When the numbers of outcomes are relatively small, it's easy to count the desired outcomes and the possible outcomes, but as the numbers of possibilities go up, counting starts taking too long. So let's model this with math instead:

    Lincoln outcomes on the penny: 1/2
    Roosevelt outcomes on the dime: 1/2
    Lincoln AND Roosevelt outcomes on both coins: 1/4
    1/2 x 1/2 = 1/4

    Now let's use a penny and a standard die, flipping/rolling them at the same time. Here are the possible outcomes:

    Lincoln, 1
    Lincoln, 2
    Lincoln, 3
    Lincoln, 4
    Lincoln, 5
    Lincoln, 6
    Memorial, 1
    Memorial, 2
    Memorial, 3
    Memorial, 4
    Memorial, 5
    Memorial, 6

    Twelve possible outcomes. And how many possible outcomes combine Lincoln and a four? Just one. So the probability of Lincoln-and-a-one is 1/12. Mathematically,

    1/2 x 1/6 = 1/12.
     
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    In the test, that's "support". In the course of answering a bigger question, you could handle it like this (these are supposed to be fractions):

    1 (desired outcomes)
    4 (possible outcomes)

    or
    1 (4's on the die)
    4 (numbers on the die)
     
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    So let's take the four-sided die and the six-sided die together. What is the probability of rolling a pair of 3's?
     
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    On the 3 sided die the is a 1/4 chance of rolling a 3. On the 6 sided die there is a 1/6 chance of rolling a 3. To find the probability the 1/4 x 1/6 =1/24. So, there is a 1/24 chance of rolling a pair of 3's?
     
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    Right on the nose!

    Now, given two six-sided dice, how many ways are there to roll a total of 7?
     

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