Job Hunt Frustration, Venting & Support Thread!

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  1. miatorres

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    Remember that not everything your instructors say will work because several schools have changed since these instructors were working in the field of public education. Heck, the whole U. S. has changed drastically in the past decade. Many years ago, I had a retired instructor for a teaching credential class and when I applied his suggestions to my own classroom, the students behaved even worse than before! I quickly realized that this instructor had not been a classroom teacher in over 20 years at that point. Besides, he had taught in a high-achieving school with highly supportive parents, which was the extreme opposite of the teaching arrangement that I was given at the time. At that point, I thought about how much I would have liked to see this instructor himself handle a rough class at that rough school with no support from the administrators. In recent years I have found that educators who are judgmental aren't much or any better at their jobs themselves.
     
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    5th grade is awesome! Don't let it scare you. There's not much difference maturity wise between 5/6 grades. I'm not sure if it's the science or the age level that is making you uncomfortable. If it's science, the upside of that position is you will only be teaching one subject, so you will really be able to focus and learn your content.

    If you like the school and the P, I would say you are interested in either position. Grade level and subject matter far less to me than having a positive school climate and a great admin! I would much rather teach kindergarten (which scares me), with a fantastic P, than continue teaching 5th (my favorite), with a horrible P.
     
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    Sorry this happened to you.:(Your resume may have been in the pile of potential candidates but didn't 'make the cut' when it came to selecting candidates for interviews. ALWAYS follow up after interviews and if told you will be considered for upcoming openings, keep in touch so your name is in front of the admin a few times.
     
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    It's more the science for 6th grade. They way the curriculum is set up each grade learns a different type of science. So I would still need to teach different subjects (earth science, physical science, and maybe life?). He older the kids get the more nervous I get because I'm used to having to teach and grade primary curriculum. So having to teach 8th grade makes me nervous every
     
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    I teach all forms of science at the HS level, and I can tell you that I am grateful every day that we have a teacher who loves teaching Physics. I have spent more time doing homework than my kids, becoming proficient in the fine points of Earth Science and remembering all of the fine points in Physical Science. I am a Biology/Environmental/Life Science/Chemistry person, and I learn the others because I love science and I want to teach it well. I believe my students deserve be to be considerably more proficient than they are. I realize that this is a private school, but for the future of your students, be very sure that you are willing to spend the time to become a good science teacher. Why? Because at some point those children may end up in a public school, with students who were taught by dedicated science teachers, and you don't want them to be at the bottom of the class. We always strive to make sure that we have prepared our students to be competent and ready for what comes next. You can do this, but please know that it will not be a walk in the park if you are to do it well. :2cents:
     
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    Oh I totally get it! Which is why I am hesitant and have t said I was interested yet. But I would totally start really learning all the material if that happened. I am still hoping I get another job at a different school. This school would be my second choice.
     
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    I got the job at the Catholic School. She's not sure what position is open 3,4, or 5, but told me that the starting pay is $22,000. I told her that I'm not in the profession for the money. It's still more money than I have ever made in my previous jobs. I told her that I was interviewing with other Districts and that I'll get back to her on Friday. She did say she'd be accommodating for my night classes which is a definite plus. I'll think about it over the next few days.

    Well done, and still gets you back into school, right? Two birds, one stone.
     
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    So the third grade job I wanted I didn't get :/. Mostly because she wants me to come in for pre-k. Which I'm trying to get away from! So now do I take a job further away, at a school I like less so I can get experience in a higher grade? Ughhhhh
     
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    A question - what state is this, and you mean that the school is not obligated to comply with credentialing regulations? What do you mean that science isn't your strong suit? There's" not remotely interested, but lots of course work" to "taking the bare minimum" to graduate college. I work in a private school, but we must following credentialing guidelines to stay in business.
     
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    So school A is 15 miles away, going the opposite way of traffic. School B is 25 miles away but there is no good way to get there without going up the highway that has the worst traffic
     
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    So I am in Massachusetts and private schools are under NO obligation to have credentialed teachers. Most still do so they can use it as a selling point. Science was never my best subject or the one that I was most interested in, so I did the bare minimum science requirements
     
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    See told you they weren't calling to reject you! Congrats.

    Just curious you said you never got paid more than 22k, how much did they pay in AZ?
     
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    I'm confused you have 2 job offers?
     
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    True. If money was not a concern having teaching freedom in a private school is nice. I did it for 5 years.
    I would take the catholic school job mostly because a public school P sent your resume over. Working there might help you create a network of references for your area. Especially since you decided you'd take a full time gig and go to grad school already but would sub if jobs didn't pan out. Just something to think about.
     
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    If it helps at all, I went to school with the intention of teaching 2-4 grades, but really, really needed a job and took a 6th grade science position. I do miss the babies sometimes, but 6th graders really grew on me and I love my content area. And *definitely* love being able to focus on one subject. In your shoes, I'd stay open to both positions though I think it's fine to express a preference for one. I did that too - they were hiring for science and ELA - but still ended up being offered the science.
     
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    Tell me if I understand this - you would be able to commit to the TA position for the coming school year, would probably need to leave employment to do the internship. If that is correct, I really don't see that as a problem as long as they are aware of your schooling commitments. TA's typically don't stay forever - the good ones are always expanding their education and moving on to more lucrative positions. This school has to know the score, so I wouldn't be so concerned about 2017-2018 as long as you can commit to 2016-2017. I watch aides and safetys come and go - if they last a full year all is well with admin. Just my observation. They know you are not going to make being their TA a lifelong job.
     
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    Leaborb192, do you really need until Friday to decide if you want the job? You've applied to so many jobs this summer, and you have reasoned your way out of all of them saying you went back to NY to go to school and sub. Either you're up to the commitment, or you're not. You've let all of us know your opinion on schools that take too long to get back to applicants; don't do the same thing to this P. If you don't want the job, fine, but leave her plenty of time to find someone who does.
     
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    I don't think it's a big deal if you accept the position for one year. In that one year your networking possibilities could be great. Plus even if they don't have a reading specialist (which they probably don't) maybe they can recommend you to a school that does for next year and that opens up the possibility for more networking. You just never know.

    I mean school doesn't start for another month so opportunities are still there to get into a public school. Just how much do you want to gamble on on a public school position?

    I truly wouldn't worry about anything besides what you're going to do this year. If this school fits the bill for the year go for it.
     
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    Sorry for not being clear!

    No I don't technically have any official job offers. I unofficially have the science job if I want it-she couldn't say that officially yet but hypothetically told me if I would take hat position I would get it

    I was contacted by school A who said they went with someone else for third grade, but if I was still interested in the school they would really like to discuss the PK position with me. So I am trying to set up a time to go speak to her about that

    There is also a school C that I should be hearing about this week too. I have been on many, many interviews this summer.
     
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    Thanks for clearing that up. Just remember as I've said earlier in the thread don't expect that ideal grade/school/position fresh out of school or even early in your career.

    At the school with the pre-k position, would you be able to switch to another grade in the coming years? Do you feel the school is a good fit? Ask yourself those questions. It seems this school is actually about to make you an offer.

    It seems the potential job offers are opposite ends of the spectrum from what you want. Think hard about what is the better fit in the long run for this school year and potentially next. Remember if things don't work out how you want to can job hunt next year.
     
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    Got a call from a defense firm in STL that I used to fight in the prosecutors office...interview Monday.
     
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    Whatever it takes to have a paycheck and a roof over your head. Could be a way to have income while starting SPED classes?
     
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    I'd get to keep the house I already have paid for. :)

    Trying to keep my head up as much as I can, but the specter of subbing a second year is really getting to me at times (hence the 1 AM post). I know this firm offers generous signing bonuses (or at least they have in the past).
     
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    You know, you can work on getting your TOSD cert with evening classes, perhaps online, whatever it takes, and who knows, they may offer tuition reimbursement, something that always brings a smile to my face. If you are concerned about pricing yourself out of the job market in education, go with the TOSD instead of the M.Ed. - keeps you affordable enough, but it is a desirable endorsement, especially if you are willing to work with the HS population, which is frequently ED/BD.

    There are no easy answers, but I believe as long as you are willing to continually reinvent yourself, there will be options, even if you don't see them yet. Best of luck!
     
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    My gut tells me that going back to law might be best for you emotionally at this time, since you are beating yourself up so much over subbing... Although doing so will likely make it even more difficult for you to break into education, at least around here.

    Based on what you've said here, I'm not sure you've exhausted all of your options for teaching in St. Louis. Have you applied in some of the less than ideal districts/charters on the MO side? It didn't sound like you had in your post the other day. It's okay to be upset about not having your own classroom in your ideal school, but make sure you apply everywhere before taking such a defeatist attitude about it.
     
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    I am going to be in STL tomorrow with a stack of resumes at places I haven't applied to yet. I did see a couple interesting options.
     
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    That's great! Hope something works out for you soon. There is still time before school begins! In fact, I have an acquaintance (past colleague) who just landed a position out in St. Charles County yesterday. She had to put in time as a SPED para (2 full years), take a job in an unaccredited district (before she called it quits sometime during the first quarter), and work as both a day-to-day and a long-term sub (for the remainder of the third year)... This was all after she had actual teaching experience in her own classroom in another state. She moved here and couldn't find anything immediately. You have to start somewhere. Keep at it. You'll find something!
     
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    Got a laugh out of one my college professors today....he called me to ask about the job search and he asked me if there was something else I'd rather do than subbing...I told him 25 to life.

    Well, a smile is always worth something. :)
     
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    Does this mean you are through applying? It will save you tons of energy if you have made a decision.
     
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