Job Hunt Frustration, Venting & Support Thread!

Discussion in 'General Education' started by Leaborb192, Jul 7, 2016.

  1. RainStorm

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    I agree with vickilyn. It is offensive. I didn't know a soul when I got hired for the school I'm in. I don't know a single teacher who got hired because of someone they knew. They got hired because they had a solid resume and did a fabulous interview and demo lesson.

    Many candidates think they do a fabulous interview. I can tell you from being on many hiring committees -- very few actual do a fabulous interview. The ones who don't get hired generally either don't have the actual experience we need, or suffer from TMI. TMI will get you every time.
     
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    It is a skill set, and most people can learn it if they invest the time. It doesn't make not getting the job a lot easier, but at least you know you can learn from each experience. Don't blame yourself - analyse and fix the weak spots. I wouldn't say this if I didn't believe it with all my heart.

    And for that teacher who got the job above, with a family in education, I bet she knows the lingo, talks the talk, and even Leaborb192 goes on to say she is an awesome teacher. Sometimes you are awesome, and therefore a great prospect, because of being immersed in the education culture. Nature or nurture?
     
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    But I note a subtle shift in your rhetoric - from "the majority of people got their job because of who they know" to not knowing someone could be one of a million reasons why one person didn't get the job.

    Really listen to RainStorm:
    Many candidates think they do a fabulous interview. I can tell you from being on many hiring committees -- very few actually do a fabulous interview. The ones who don't get hired generally either don't have the actual experience we need, or suffer from TMI. TMI will get you every time.
     
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    Just got shot down from the district I subbed in last year, student taught in, and where I coached JV baseball the last two years. I can't feel much worse right now...but there is an off chance of another position opening.

    Good luck to you all in the process.
     
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    Is it nice to have someone put in a good word for you? Sure.
    Can you improve how you interview? I believe it is highly likely.
    Could it hurt to perfect interview skills? Nope.
    You can't do anything about the first line, but you are in control of the next two.

    cmkbearcat48 - so sorry to hear that - truly I am. :hugs:
     
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    No problem with getting to know people, but what if they don't come away with the impression you had hoped to make, for whatever reason?
     
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    Well, there's always the prosecutors office or a second year of subbing...good luck to all of you.
     
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    TMI? You are of that age range where it is a little more common, I believe. We share so much on the internet through social media, some of which is anonymous, some of which isn't, and sometimes we have trouble determining when we have shared too much. My son is about your age, plus or minus a little, and I notice this tendency in him, as well as his friends, all of the time. Just an observation.
     
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    I teach at a Catholic school, and am not Catholic. It isn't a deal breaker.
     
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    That would not work out, but just for your information, if a teacher is not Catholic, they simply have another teacher teach religion for them. I switch with another class and teach their science class.
     
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    What I've learned from this year...

    Getting a foot in the door makes it more painful when they slam it in your face. Hoping like hell something comes up...but worried as hell about it.
     
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    I can be if I can sell my house.
     
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    What is TMI?
     
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    TMI is too much information. Think of it as you get the life story, warts and all, when you ask a question like "tell me about yourself." Oversharing, particularly of personal info that isn't relevant. I am sure that you get the picture.
     
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    Got it! Thanks for the answer!
     
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    I teach in a private Christian school. I am required to sign a morals agreement stating that I am a Christian. I don't believe in all their beliefs but it doesn't affec
    That sounds positive. Good luck!
     
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    Well, got a formal rejection from the local Catholic school (letter and phone call)...he was really nice and said that he would keep me in mind for future openings.

    I guess it's the way of the world to compliment the people you're currently slaying.
     
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    I'm so sorry. Maybe this is your window that leads to SPED classes?
     
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    Waiting to hear from several interviews but got a call from a principal who said HR gave her my name. Hopefully, something will come from that. I am so tired of interviewing.I thought SPED teachers are needed.
     
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    I'm sure your response has probably rubbed the interview panel the wrong way.
     
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    I know we have talked about the 2 way nature of interviews, but i don't quite go for it. They have something I want and I may or may not be of interest to them. So it's my job to impress them and adapt to the environment.
     
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    I was under the impression that the interviews you have had since returning from AZ had been fruitless, and resulted in no offers. Are we talking about this summer, or before the trip to AZ? I value my time as much as the next person, but I can't see where being antagonistic to the interview participants can be a wonderful tactic - it sounds more like the candidate is frustrated and belligerent. Whether I end up taking that job or not, I would like to get to the point where I actually get to make that decision. No offer is not a decision.
     
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    I always thought that the trick was to research the district, learn about the culture, to see if you would be a good fit before applying. That way, nobody wastes their time at the interview. I value my time and I am sure they value theirs. I don't apply when my research shows it would not be a place I would be happy at. Personally, for me, no charters and no religious schools. Not my thing for a lot of reasons. For other people, they may be just what the doctor ordered!
     
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