Discussion in 'General Education' started by Leaborb192, Jul 7, 2016.
Jul 11, 2016
I feel your pain. I've been trying to get into a Westchester district for the last eight years. Some districts don't even tell you if you weren't selected, which is very unprofessional to say the least. It seems like it's who you know, not what you know when it comes to getting hired.
Jul 12, 2016
They should be honest and say "a quarter to never".
The best is when you put tons of effort into the demo lesson, take two days off for the interview and after the demo, you get "thanks for coming in, you'll hear from us soon". Four weeks past, no word until I called and the secretary says "oh those positions have been filled already". That's when I replied "thanks for letting me know".
It's so much more professional than telling them what we really think.
There are admins in here...do you compliment those you reject?
Just asking if that's a common thing.
I was shocked when I received a phone call from a public school letting me know that I did not get the job. But they responded within the definite time frame they gave me, and they gave me really great feedback. I knew leaving that it was not the best fit for me, and they agreed but told me lots of things that they liked that I said and referred me to the primary school in the district. I have so much respect for this district about how they handle their interviews. I wish everyone was like that!
If you have to get rejected, that seems to be a good way to handle it.
Jul 13, 2016
I don't think all compliments in rejections are disingenuous. Just because one candidate is better doesn't mean the rest are all terrible with no positive qualities...
The only time I've ever had a reference tell me they'd been contacted by a school, I got the job. I can't imagine they'd call references until they were pretty serious, down to the last few people at least. I've never been in a hiring position though so I'm just spit-balling. Good luck! I hope it's good news.
Congrats!! They just contacted all of my references on Monday and today I'm going in for my final interview with the assistant superintendent. I think they contact references when they're down to only 2-3 candidates, so that's a good sign on your part. You should probably hear from them this week/next week, unless there are more interviews in that process for you.
It, to me, just doesn't seem necessary. Of course, I've always held the belief that a person can't do well and come up short...so that has something to do with it. I know some have said they want to make sure applicants feel good so they reapply...but if they weren't good enough then what makes them worthy later?
I attended a principals panel during student teaching and several of the principals told us, it isn't about not being good enough. The principal has to think about how each candidate will fit in with their team, how personalities will work together etc. They take a lot into consideration they want to make sure everyone will be a good fit. It's frustrating but keep your head up.
Jul 14, 2016
Anything to reject, right?
This is not directed at one person- just an observation over the course of the past month or so.
Please don't apply for jobs you won't accept. Think long and hard before clicking that button. Applying is hard work, so only apply at schools who are an acceptable distance for you, and have content and grade levels you are interested in. Don't apply for openings just because they are there. Getting a job should require more thought than a shopping addict buying something just because it's on sale.
We interviewed a great guy last year for our team and he was offered the job. Two or three weeks later he decided he didn't want to move to the area. I won't lie. The interview committee was livid. He wasted our time, got us excited that he was going to join us as he seemed like a great fit and even though he was inexperienced, we thought he'd turn out to be a great teacher. Then we had to start over with the process as our second choice had already accepted another job. The person eventually hired for that position missed a training the team attended not offered by the district and had to play catch up all year so we had to step in and do extra work all year.
The world of education is very small. I don't know exactly what happened with the man, but I do know he interviewed with a friend of my P (two hours away), and she told the interviewing P that the candidate didn't keep his word. Whether he got hired or not, I was not interested in knowing. That just came up in conversation months later. I don't know how the Ps came about talking about candidates, but evidently it came up.
If you are willing to move, apply! Best wishes to you! If you are willing to commute, apply! Best wishes to you! If you're willing to change content areas or grade levels, apply! Best wishes to you!
But please, don't waste people's time.
My district is in a very expensive area. People with local addresses are MUCH likelier to get interviews because out-of-town candidates don't yet realize they can't afford to live here.
The job opening, interviews, job offer and acceptance in the case I was referring to was in about a three week time period. Most of that was the ten business days of job posting. The interviews were on the same day. The offer and acceptance was made the day of the interviews.
Your reasoning works for many cases, but it didn't in the incident I referred to. I do certainly agree that the process should be faster in what I've witnessed on this forum. In my experience, the offer is the same day as the interview. More places should adopt our speed.
MD has a fast turnaround if they are going to hire you. My county requires 3 candidates be interviewed for each position. In my experience they do not contact you if you were not selected. It is the absolute most frustrating experience. I interviewed at 5:30 pm on a Tuesday, the next morning I received my offer. Everyone else I know has also found out within 2-3 days.
I think it is extremely unprofessional to not inform a candidate they were not selected. I found out via facebook, not once but twice that someone else was hired for a position and nobody contacted me to tell me.
Do you think they do that in case the first choice backs out?
Not every place starts that high. You'd have to research the area you'd consider to see what the salaries are and check for real estate prices. Usually the places that pay more have a bit higher cost of living and more competition. I live in rural areas but have lived in the larger cities. Getting a little less pay is not a bad trade off for living in the country and typically not having the same problems urban districts sometimes have.
I don't know much about teaching in AZ so I really can't compare.
I live in the southern part of the state where a little ice on the roads will shut everything down! My brother lives in Ft. Worth and some years will get some snow. I haven't seen snow since I lived in central Texas and even then, there was only about four times that we got enough for it to stick.
Texas is not a common core state. The specialists at the service centers tell us that our state standards are harder, but I haven't studied them so I'm not sure if that is correct.
We don't have unions as we are an at-will state. The first year or maybe two for new teachers, you'd have a probationary contract and you can be let go without a long process or much documentation. After that, you get a term contract and I think it's harder for admin to fire you as they have to document problems. To be honest, I'm not positive on all of the specifics as I've never had those problems. I do know of a veteran teacher who was put on a growth plan. There are associations and even a powerless union that you can join for liability insurance and legal counsel.
Our contracted work weeks seem to be longer than in some states. The last district was over 42 hours a week, not counting meetings after school. Up to fourth grade, class size is limited to 22, which seems large until I read about classes of more than 30 on this forum.
I love visiting other states, but Texas is home.
It has been my experience that my state, Florida, offers jobs shortly after the interview. Many of the schools I have had experience with send out rejection letters as soon as the candidate has been chosen. Starting salaries are not that high, but neither is the cost of living. There are plentiful jobs in most parts of the state year round because so many people move here thinking they will find the pot of gold at the end of the rainbow. Consequently, many of our schools have a large homeless population and Title 1 status.
I think schools in NY know exactly what they are looking for when they want to hire a candidate. You very well know the market is extremely over saturated with teachers especially elementary Ed. Let's take out the "who you know" aspect, and there are still many jobs open. However schools tend to be picky. My school in particular has made some interesting choices when trying to hire. They will interview like crazy trying to find what they want, which is a person with experience who can teach and wants to work in a low income Title 1 school. They don't want newbies at all anymore. They keep interviewing to try and find that fit and have lost out on some candidates that were great because they took too long. So in the end they have to hire a new teacher because experienced teachers get snapped up quick and the school year starts.
We have someone at our school they hired after the school year because a teacher left about a month before school started and they were picky. Unfortunately their vision of hiring the best candidate didn't happen. Mind you this isn't the only school I've seen do this.
You have to see it from an admins perspective they want people they know will stay. Whether that's due to location, experience or whatever else factors they take that into consideration. So even a less desirable school in NY is going to take their time to hire someone and they don't inform people they didn't get the job until they lock down a candidate, if they did at all. I know my school has ran down 2nd and 3rd choices only to find out they've accepted other positions because they waited too long.
Now top schools in good districts don't wait around. They do multiple rounds and select the best candidate but they also get top applicants to come in. (The good districts that don't hire based on nepotism.)
Now I will say when I was hired at my school the process was different for me, it took about 5 days from applying interviewing and demoing to being hired. But I was what they were looking for experienced and committed to working in Title 1. Other jobs I've gotten in NY were the same. One job I was offered on the spot. It's alol about knowing what they are looking for.
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