Job Hunt Frustration, Venting & Support Thread!

Discussion in 'General Education' started by Leaborb192, Jul 7, 2016.

  1. czacza

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    Neither is ok
     
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    Glad it was of some help Leaborb. I think for me it is about teachers applying to things that they feel they can do. I would never suggest someone apply to something they don't feel capable of. If they feel they can interview well for the position and can be effective in the role, I would recommend applying if that is the context of the region. Applying is the candidate's job. HR gets to decide if they meet the requirements. Where I work both our union and our administrators would tell new teachers this. Where I work, if there are qualified applicants, the Principal would never even know the candidate had applied. HR forwards the names of who the Principal is to interview. HR sorts applicants based on the parameters. HR would never be upset with someone for applying outside of their subject. It is simply part of the process.

    In my case the subject was one I had a lot of experience in but which I didn't see myself teaching for 30 years, so I hadn't pursued the qualification. The Principal had a very short time line at a bad time of year at a rare moment where there were no qualified applicants. She wanted to give the contract (which in the end will cost the District about 2 million dollars over the course of my career) to someone she wanted working for the District for the next 30-35 years. In that context, she felt I was the right hire. Where I am people do not get hired because they are going to teach X for 35 years. (I would never have imagined that I would end up in all the cool roles I've ended up in or that I'd have the credentials I have now when I started.) They get hired because the District is willing to invest 2 million dollars in them. So subject knowledge matters but not as much as the one's emotional intelligence, openness to change and pedagogy. My P knew they would move me into another subject within a year or two and hire a qualified person to teach this subject at a better time of year when they had a strong group of candidates with qualifications to hire from.
     
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    Okay, I think it's time for me to give up on teaching. I graduated from a one- year post- bac program in 2012, certified in MS English. I applied for everything I was even vaguely qualified for over the following three years. I stopped counting after I hit 280--yes, 280 jobs. I got jobs as a para, which was cool, but not what I was trained for. I added Secondary English and School Nurse. Nothing. I moved to a different state that has "a shortage of teachers." I got hired for the 2nd job I applied for, adding Elementary Ed. By testing out. Mind you, I'm good at Math and Science, but I have never taken any instruction whatsoever in TEACHING Math or Science.
    I taught 5th Grade last year. The P made it clear from the beginning that he was giving me the "lowest-scoring kids in the school," but that I mustn't ever tell anyone that. Turns out, he sandbags 2-3 teachers each year, scapegoating them to the school board, blaming the teachers in order to cover his own ass while he applies for Superintendent jobs.
    I taught my heart out last year. I had kids coming to school who used to skip school 20+ days a year. For me, they only missed 2 or 3. That has to mean SOMETHING.
    We teachers were evaluated based on our students' Math scores, and the school as a whole did poorly, as they have been for years. Mine were a bit worse than the school average. Why wouldn't they be??? They were the lowest students in the school, as chosen by the P! And I didn't have a mentor at ALL, even though it is required by law in this state. And we had no Math Interventionist. The thing is, when the P called me in to tell me he wasn't rehiring me, and I asked him why, he hemmed and hawed and said "test scores," but as I said, my students' scores weren't much worse than anybody else's!
    Then, to beat all, he said he would give me a good reference and letter of recommendation--BUT he never coughed up the letter. AND, when I applied fora HS English position in the district, the {[]{#|€|} sandbagged me AGAIN, telling the HS P that I "had an unsuccessful year" last year.
    I honestly don't thing I'm a bad teacher. My students love me. I taught the curriculum as well as I could, given I has NO support at ALL. And I also made sure they were introduced to some important cultural figures, such as Woody Guthrie, Louis Armstrong, and Elvis. We talked about last fall's election, even though it wasn't "in the curriculum." Most importantly, when those students were in my class, they treated each other with kindness and respect. And the kid who had had a 1:1during all his previous years because he swore at teachers and threw desks--that kid did not ONCE throw anything the whole year. His mom said I was the best teacher he'd ever had.
    But you know what? I'm done. I've invested thousands and thousands of dollars in Grad School and thousands more on teaching supplies that sit in my closet, like a spinster's dusty hope chest. My heart and my spirit are broken. I give up. With an aching heart, I'm going back to Nursing.
     
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    Good. You need to get out of Arizona. You can make way more money in NY as a teacher. Also, as I said in a previous thread you might want to consider coming to California. The pay here is excellent.

    The problem is that there are so many elementary teachers that they're flooding the market. We also need middle school and high school teachers, you know?! Lol.

    Good luck to you!
     
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    I wouldn't paint with a broad brush though I'd start subbing elsewhere if you know you wouldn't like the district anyway. Get your name out in as many schools as possible.
     
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