Job Hunt Frustration, Venting & Support Thread!

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  1. YoungTeacherGuy

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    That's a ton of education for such a brief amount of time in the full-time workforce.
     
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    If the ultimate goal is to be an SLP, why don't you plan to do the latest job for long?
     
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    Yep, that's how the ball bounces sometimes. If I won the lottery this second, I wouldn't work anymore, except maybe my fun, non-ed related remote jobs I've done before. I'd mainly travel, enjoy life, donate to worthy causes, & maybe go to school to study Anthropology...just for the joy of learning because I wouldn't plan on having a career w/ it. And who knows, maybe I'll find my ultimate passion in something as I go.

    At least I passed my huge, grad school exam the 1st time for my 1st grad degree, otherwise, that would have been another YEAR around to retake. Since I probably won't win the lottery, I'm completely done w/ school forever!
     
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    Notice I said it would still regard being an SLP. I just don't care for the work setting. My ultimate goal is to work as an SLP remotely. There's companies out there that hire for that.
     
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    Remotely? How does that work?
     
  6. Ms. I

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    Well, it's similar to what everyone's been saying in this thread, except I'd be an SLP:
    http://forums.atozteacherstuff.com/...-be-or-already-are-an-online-educator.183014/

    I got close to trying out a job similar to more of what I want, very briefly once. I had an SLP job interview w/ this lady via webcam. I got the job, we ONLY communicated via webcam & email. The IEP meetings were via phone. Now, w/ that job, I did work w/ kids in-person like once a week (just once a wk because there were only several kinds at the time). But there's ways to work w/ kids via webcam, so everything's completely remote. I just want/need a little more hands-on experience first at a B&M (brick & mortar) school (for at least another year, maybe two).
     
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    I get the impression that you don't necessarily like face-to-face interactions with people (strong desire to find work-from-home jobs). Am I correct?
     
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    Yes, I could do it & have had numerous past jobs facing the public, but I find that I care for it less & less as I get older. In fact, on another board I belong to of various topics, I started a couple of threads titled, "Does Your Career Fit Your Personality" & "Who Doesn't Care to be Around People on a Regular Basis?" & there's been some interesting posts. I won't start a thread like that on here because this is specifically a teaching board, so I'm sure I'll get different replies.
     
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    Are your students 'the public'? You've never put forth the impression (IMO) that you are in this for the kids and the staff culture and politics seem to get you down. Maybe private speech therapy is your calling?
     
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    After subbing for the first three weeks of school I have been offered my own classroom. Will be teaching 4th Grade. Am out of field, so working to pass my elementary test asap so I can get full pay.
     
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    Congratulations!
     
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    I'm gonna vent here too, if that's ok. It's a lot and I apologize but I need to get it all out for my own sake. No one in my real life could possibly understand.

    I've had incredibly bad luck with securing a full-time position since I graduated. I've tried my best to put on a smile and accept anything I am offered. Right out of college I overtook a 1st grade classroom because the teacher took leave, so they brought me in as an interim. I stayed until the end of the year and then was told there wasn't anything for me the following year because the teacher was coming back, but they'd keep me in mind. So I job hunted. The year started and I subbed. Then the same school had enough enrollment to open a Kindergarten classroom and asked if I wanted to be the teacher (NOT SUB, I was offered what we call a 3100 or Interim teacher where you get paid as a reg teacher). I, of course, took it and was in there for 4 weeks working contract hours and grading before I started wondering why my paperwork was stalling so long. I went to speak to the principal who then dropped a bombshell about not having enough in the budget to pay me as a teacher, only as a sub. I was shocked but managed to articulate that this was not the original agreement and that if the district gave her money to open a classroom it was because they knew she'd had to place a teacher in there, not a sub. So to make a long story short, I finished the pay period and left.... and then saw the position posted a week later for a Kindergarten teacher (no lies). I continued to sub, almost daily. Then our district changed it so that subs can only complete 8 days a pay period and sit out 2. Okay, still working regulary. Then I started to feel really ill, tired and just drained. I ended up needing heart surgery which put me out for a bit but I pushed on. I had my surgery July 12, 2013 and was back to subbing the day after Labor Day. THAT's how determined I was to get a job. However, I honestly did have some complications after my surgery so I subbed for the rest of the year. The following year (2014-2015) a pre-k teacher ended up taking leave around the end of September, so I was offered that job and I took it. I worked as an interim teacher until the end of the school year. The teacher decided not to return to work, the school solved it internally by placing the Media Specialist in the classroom :/ ...OK, on with the job search. I looked all summer, went on 5 interviews and nothing. In September 2015 I received a call about ANOTHER Pre-k interim position in another school through the beginning months of 2016. When I met with the AP she told me the teacher was actually retiring but had taken leave. We immediately bonded and she offered me the interim position right there. I took it, worked until March. Assistant Principal told me I def had her recommendation to have the job after the teacher retired in May. The principal ended up transferring someone from a previous school.


    WHICH LEADS ME TO....My current situation:
    Another summer looking for a job, applying, networking, dropping off resumes in person etc. Only had one callback for an interview and they went with someone else. Then my old school calls me, where I worked as a Pre-K teacher for the 14-15 school year. Media Specialist they put in there is leaving. They need a FULL-TIME teacher stat. I'm so excited. It's happening. And at a school I truly loved. I interview and accept the teaching position offer on the spot on August 17th 2016. I signed my contract right there too. I'm made aware that the her transfer needs to go through in order for the position to be open and for me to 'accept it' through TeacherMatch. Well, it will be 3 weeks tomorrow. I have kept contact with the Principal who assures me it's happening but we need to wait for the district to finish her transfer. It's so frustrating. I keep imagining the leaving teacher will decide to stay or the school she's going to will cancel her transfer/close the position/etc. I know these are my own doubts and years of frustrating job hunting and fear of having this opportunity slip away like others..... I'm trying to keep my mind straight but reading so many experiences on this board made me want to share my own.

    I'm truly sorry this is so long but I needed to type it up and see it in front of me. I've created other threads and have gotten so much positive feedback from users on this board. But it's hard to keep your thoughts positive when it's been such a long road!! Anyway, thanks for letting me vent.
     
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    Just when you thought admins should be the epitome of professionalism especially when dealing with teacher applicants, apparently not in my case. Sometime this week I was supposed to be interviewed via Skype by a school in the south. The admin suggested that we talk between 3-4 in the afternoon, it was a week day so I agreed even though he did not give an exact time. On the day of the interview agreed upon, the admin was a "no show". I have not done anything during the day because I was preparing. The admin didn't even bother to call to tell me if he's not coming and want to reschedule or if he was running late and did not forget that he has an appointment to meet me via Skype. It was very unprofessional. I know that I'm looking for a job but I don't deserve and no one does--to be treated this way--considering that someone with a doctorate degree running a school would do such a thing.

    Flashback two weeks ago, I had to drive 5 hrs and stayed overnight at a hotel just to be interviewed early in the morning at a high school at 7:30. I'd like to show interest so I agreed to be interviewed in person, it didn't matter how long I had to drive because I'm looking at relocating anyhow. That morning, I woke up really early, dressed up and went to the interview at least 15 minutes early. I was called and I went inside the main office with two admin people (both APs) to be conducting the interview. Of course, I was putting my best foot forward and was asked my first question. I'm only about a few words since opening my introduction, one of the interviewers already yawned and sneezed, and acting like falling asleep while here I am talking enthusiastically as I introduced myself. I felt that I was disrespected in some way, I know it was still early in the morning but I would have at least showed some courtesy if it was me meeting someone. I didn't had a good sleep the night before but I made sure I would not feel sleepy during my interview. The whole process was so dull, like I was there just for their statistics saying that their interviewed someone for the position. The treatment felt really cold so right after the interview I knew that I would not get the job. That same day, I had another interview at nearby city. P invited me for an in-person interview so I agreed since it was in the area close to my morning interview. P somehow exchanged glances at the office but didn't conduct the interview but an AP instead. Interview went well only to find out few days later that the job post had been taken down, most probably someone got hired and did not even bother to send an email about it.

    I was thinking, why are these practices even taking place? You hired someone but did not even bother to send an email informing me that I didn't get the job so I could move on. Why ask someone from miles away to drive all the way 5 hours (one way) just to speak with you in less than 30 minutes if you're not very likely to hire them? Is Skype not a viable option? I had schools before that understands that they will not bother for you to drive 5 hours when they can see and speak with you via Skype and they can still decide if they want to hire you or not. Somehow I get to think, these admins think you're so desperate to get the job you'll drive all the way because they can't be bothered going online because they are VIPs of education and gets to be paid more than regular teachers.

    The afternoon interviewer, as I recall even asked me, why do you want to become a teacher when you've had an engineering degree and worked in the industry, sounding like she didn't approve of my career goal to transition into teaching. I think admins should be more welcoming that professionals like myself are transitioning into education because we want to achieve something for ourselves not monetarily. Like everyone else transitioning into teaching without education degrees, I had to pass exams like everyone else, had to take education units in order to be certified and people in the administration should welcome that idea that professionals could add value to education with their industry experience. And not be demonized for what we are trying to accomplish. This only goes to show how some people in the field of education do not take pride in what they do nor they respect their profession. Just because they are in the leadership positions, they think they're Gods and teachers are underneath them, they can treat them whatever they want especially those who are seeking teaching jobs as newbies or sophomores like me.

    Sorry for the long rant, I just need to take this off my chest. Maybe that is how younger admins with very short teaching experience do with some teachers who have been in the profession all their lives. No wonder they're retiring. No wonder we have a teacher shortage everywhere. As for me, I'm still looking for the right opportunity. I may have none yet but I'm still positive the right one will come soon.
     
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    Unfortunately it's who you know, not what you know in the school districts. A lot of school districts are unprofessional by not letting candidates know they are not chosen...the search continues
     
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    It's really discouraging and tiring going through the process of interviews. If you don't have a personal connection with someone in the district, it's almost impossible to get a position. On top of that, to never hear back from the district to say the position has been filled or you didn't make it to the second round. There is no professionalism anymore.

    Last year, I went for an interview and they were interviewing so many people that there was a line outside the school door. Guess who got the position? The principal secretary's daughter. I guess it's a quota that they have to interview people. But it's really disgusting the nepotism that goes on in these districts.
     
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    You should brush up on your interview skills. If you don't interview well, you won't get hired. Period. Also, revamp your resume.

    If I recall correctly, you spent a lot of time last summer complaining that inside people got all the jobs and districts never hired outsiders. Now, you're complaining that you, an insider, didn't get an interview. I think your time would be better served improving your resume and interview skills Ask if you can have a mock interview and receive some feedback. Find out what skills they are looking for, and make sure they are highlighted on your resume.
     
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    It might be worth your while to ask, since you work there, how you might improve your chances of getting an interview. I hate to say this, but generally when someone in our building applies for a permanent job and isn't even given an interview, the reason tends to be their performance in our building.

    I get that knowing people helps, but if you're in the building - you know people. Are there people you can ask to support your application? Even a casual mention might do you good, assuming performance is not the issue.
     
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    I feel like I'm in limbo right now. I'm currently on temporary contract at a school where I have worked for 4 years. I was an instructional assistant for most of that time, then student taught there, and when my student teaching was over my cooperating teacher went on leave and I took over the classes for the rest of the year. I'm waiting to hear if I will be asked back for the 2017-2018 school year. I'm in CA, so I was hoping to know by March 15th, but apparently HR didn't have to tell me by March 15th because I didn't start my temp. contract until December. I asked my P about it, and he said he should know more by April. We're currently on Spring Break, we go back on April 17th. I haven't been applying anywhere else yet, because I don't have my 3 letters of recommendation in hand yet, though I do have people lined up to write them.

    I'm frustrated, because I'm a planner, and this wait is killing me. I don't want to work at any of the other nearby districts, so if I'm not offered this job I don't really know what I'll do. I hate this.
     
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    Of those three things, it's most likely the interview and/or basic qualifications for the job. While principals(or hiring managers) in highly competitive districts(or industries) will add/deduct points for a highly polished cover letter/resume, I would imagine that most would put more weight behind your qualifications(education, certifications, relevant experience, language proficiency, references, etc) for the job and the overall impression they get from the interview...all things being equal.
    Keep in mind that a good interviewer's job is to visualize the candidate in whatever role they are applying for. Therefore, you need to present yourself like a teacher/leader/authority figure, give specific answers to classroom scenario questions and sell yourself as the best candidate/fit for that job and that school. I know it sounds like a lot, but nobody said it would be easy. I hope this helps.

    I am fairly new to teaching by the way...
     
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    If you are not hired to stay in the district you love, you will have to decide how much you hate the other other districts versus being unemployed. I would suggest getting your LOR's in hand sooner rather than later, which will make you prepared for whatever course of action you need to pursue.
     
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    It's not the other districts that I hate, it's the commute. I refuse to spend 45 minutes driving one way to my place of work. So I suppose my options would be continue to sub in my district while looking for an in, or apply to the few nearby private schools that seem like a good fit.

    Either way, you're right that I need those LOR in my hand sooner rather than later.
     
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    For what it's worth - I drive an hour each way, and not as bad as you would think. You're just starting out - verifiable experience as the classroom teacher is very valuable.
     
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    I might change my tune if I really can't find any job within reasonable distance from my home after exhausting every single other option (subbing in the district while waiting for an opening, getting a job in a local private school, etc.) but more likely I would relocate my family. Maybe I'm being precious, but I just won't do a long commute. I have three small children at home, and am maxed out on stress! https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/urban-survival/201501/commuting-the-stress-doesnt-pay

    I can't take the added stress of a long commute! Kudos to those of you who do it and manage, truly. Right now I'm incredibly luck because I live less than a mile from the school where I work, and I commute by bike. I'm able to bike to my oldest daughter's school after work to pick her up from extracurricular activities, and we bike home. It's really great. I'm hoping we get to keep it.
     
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    It always amazes me how people who say they are desperate to find a job always have so many things they they are not willing to compromise on such as commute. I don't think 45 minutes is insane.
     
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    When I first graduated, my commute was anywhere between 45 and 75 minutes depending on whether I drove or took transit. While it was far from ideal, it was a job and valuable experience. I was single, or married without kids, so my time was more flexible. After my children were born, I was home for many years and then was adamant about being close to home when I returned to work.

    Many of the people in my town commute over an hour to the city; it's the norm here.
     
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    Pretty sure I never said that I am desperate for a job. If it comes to that I would have to reconsider, but I'm going to exhaust all other options first. I don't think it's a bad idea to be realistic about what I'm looking for.
     
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    It's not only you that I'm referring to. There are posts about this same topic every year.
     
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    I was also not willing to commute a long distance when my children were little. I think it is much more important to be close to my family and immediately available if the need arises.

    My job has always come second to my family.
     
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    Does that all fit onto one page? Looks great to me, but I'm a newbie as well, so take no stock in my opinion.
     
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