Janus case

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  1. TrademarkTer

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    Of course, using your specific situation to try and make an argument.......

    There are exceptions to every rule.
     
  2. jadorelafrance

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    I work in a union state and have literally the opposite situation as you. Perhaps it was just a bad district.
     
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    Honestly those who live and work in a union state and work in a private school probably indirectly benefit from unions and collective bargaining and private schools have to keep wages competitive with the surrounding public schools to attract teachers. I’ve seen some salary guides in CA and they look pretty good (I know the standard of living is high) and I can’t imagine many private schools being much worse off.
     
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    You are partially correct. My schools offers competitive salaries to compete with the surrounding schools to keep talented employees on staff. With that said, my colleagues and I are paid extremely well (I will make max out at $100k in year 13) and we get better benefits in most cases. Case in point, our healthcare is 100% paid for by the school, so I pay zero, and our vision and dental are dirt cheap ($40/month in total for both); additionally, we get 1 prep period for each class, unless we want to teach more classes, and at the end of the year we can request to teach different classes within our subject area. The best part is that class size maximums are set at 25 and are never allowed to exceed that.

    I don’t need a union to have job security. Before any teacher can be terminated, the P must show just cause and it has to be approved by the school board. Basically, you know you have a job next year if student test scores exceed the national and state average, students and parents are happy, students continually show positive growth, and you are rated as an effective teacher or above. That’s all that’s required.
     
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    Absolutely! The private schools I've worked on need to be competitive compared to local (union) public schools so we end up with pretty good salaries/benefits
     
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    My thoughts on the case - fear. We have so much to lose. I have a very strong union at the moment- great health, dental, sick days that last through retirement, class sizes capped - high, but capped - and other things I don't even think about. Even the annual environmental checks at our school sites are due at least in part because our union stepped in. I don't want to think about what could be lost. Here's hoping that I am wrong. I am willing to be wrong. I just would prefer to not find out. I am hoping that this case does not break the bargaining power of our united coworkers. I hope I am wrong to fear.
     
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    I'm not worried. The Chicago Teachers Union has merged with the charter school union to offset anybody who dips out of paying dues. 100% of my school has re-carded and agreed to pay dues even if we don't have to. I anticipate most buildings will be the same. There are even amendments leaving potential future membership open to private schools.
     
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    How much are union fees, generally?

    Wondering for both those in and not in a union (if they're paying the fees talked about in the OP).

    I don't have a lot of experience with unions.
     
  9. TrademarkTer

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    Our dues run around 1200 per year, but it's taken like $60 from each check.
     
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    I pay about $58 per month during the school year through an automatic bank draft deduction to be a member of my state NEA affiliate. It’s not technically a union, but an association instead.

    I paid $53-55 per paycheck, which could be 2-3 times per month during the school year, when I was a member of a union. It was significantly more money, and I enjoyed the benefits and responsibilities of my membership with the union much less than I’ve enjoyed my membership with the association.
     
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    I worked in New York City Public Schools, home of one of the strongest teacher's unions in the country. Yeah Randi Weingarten.
     
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    I too have great medical coverage. I pay about $58.00 bi weekly for health, dental and vision. My prescription that I need is free under my health plan. My retirement contribution is decent amount too, I believe our state covers 80% I think. We also have capped classes, and a prep every day. And unless you're in your first two years, they can't fire you without cause, and even in the first two years, there is a process. So, I don't think I'm any worse off than anyone who has a union, and when I did have a union, I didn't want to be part of it, but had to be--if I wasn't a member, the union only takes partial dues, but you still have to pay.
     
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    Yeah, but I don’t pay anything and STILL get all of that.
     
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    I just wish that Georgia had an actual teachers union
     
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    The fact that this entire thread has boiled down to "Will I make more money?!" and not "what is better for students?" is exactly why I anxiously await the day I am no longer compelled to support a cause with which i do not agree as a condition of my employment.

    For those who want to call me a free rider - that is the union's fault. They are the ones who have lobbied for state laws that make them the sole bargaining voice in public schools. I will happily negotiate my own contract as soon as they pay their cronies in Sacramento to change the law.

    I pay $60 A MONTH to be a union non-member. I don't even get to vote on the contract that they negotiate, by law, on my behalf. I don't get to speak at meetings. I have no input on negotiations. Why should I have to pay any part of that to have no voice?
     
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