It is going to be a LONG year!

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  1. giraffe326

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    I have a great class. I really, really like them.
    Academically, they are a mess. A big mess. We have 3 fourth grade classrooms. One teacher always gets dumped on- all the SpEd kids, the behavior issues, and anyone else that has any kind of problem. Last year, the other 2 teachers left mid year and were not very present for the part of the year they were here. These kids are literally a year or so behind.

    So today I gave them a science test. One part gave them a scenario and asked them to draw a conclusion based on it. I had about 8 come and ask me why there were lines there if they needed to draw a picture. Including my top student.

    :huh: :banghead: :eek:hmy: :eek: :dizzy: :crosseyed :tired:
     
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    Oh, wow. *face palm* A fellow teacher told kids to write 1 through 5 on their paper. One kid asked her how to spell that. :huh:
     
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    WOW! Maybe they can sense the fact that you feel like they have been "dumped" on you. Kids are kids. They get confused and need things explained. This makes me sad.
     
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    Read that again. I never said anything was dumped on me. I actually said that I really, really like my class. The fourth grade teacher DOES get 'dumped' on. He gets every single child with a problem. It is not fair for one teacher to deal with as much as he has to. I'm not saying the kids are bad, but they always have a lot of issues that need special attention. When you have 30 kids that all need very special and specific attention, there is no way you can accommodate them all.
     
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    I know it probably wasn't funny at the time, but I'm literally sitting here smiling about what you wrote. It's something one of my 2nd graders would say!
     
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    It was funny, but not funny at the same time :lol:

    I went up to one of my teammates after school and she laughed at me when I told her. My other teammate joined the conversation. Over half of her class is GT, and she had kids (even her GT kids) ask her the same thing! I told the other teacher (the one that didn't have anyone ask) that she probably actually has pictures drawn on her papers. Her kids just didn't ask! I also told her that she better text me photos of them!!
     
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    Oh, giraffe, that really did make me smile. I know how you feel though!
     
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    I always have kids respond that way when told to 'draw a table'. Their response is to draw a dining table :)

    I'm dealing with very literal thinkers and it is hard to move them beyond that.
     
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    I really want to know what they drew, I have to admit!
     
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    I don't think any of my students drew a picture. When they asked, I explained what they needed to do.
    Now, if the other teacher has some pictures drawn, I'll let y'all know what they drew ;)
     
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    Yeah, but you can have classes that have all the IEP/504/BIP students and behavior issues in one room because they don't want these kids to ruin the other classes.

    I teach 6 and 7th grade and there are four classes in each grade grouped by ability and behavior. Each grade has one class with only 10 students because there are 6 kids with IEPs in the class and these kids are major behavior problems (kids that would be put out of school if they were in any other school district in the state). There are no special ed/co-teaching for these classes and although they are only 10 students, they are draining and frustrating everyday because their beahvior is off-the-hook.
     
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    Excuse me, but ALL students are entitled to an education. What do you mean by, "put out?" Are you speaking of an alternative school? If so, maybe that's where they need to go, to a place full of people who understand how to work with children who have emotional disabilities.

    How are these kids labeled special ed and receiving no services at all from a special ed teacher? This is the problem that needs to be fixed. These kids need someone who is strong and determined, not someone who feels like a victim. Children can sense these things.

    I am speaking from experience. I have a class of 9, most of whom have behavior issues. (I had 13 last year.) I do have one assistant, and this is required by law. You need to think outside the box. You have to be there for the right reasons.

    Who was it that I was having the "debate" with on this site the other day when I stated that most general ed teachers just don't get it?????? :whistle:
     
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    I'm sorry, and I don't mean to be rude, but I think you are very judgmental. Not just in this thread, or even just this topic (SpEd), but in general. I am not trying to be mean, but you seam to criticize and shoot people down a lot.

    And to say that general ed teachers don't get things is rude and hurtful. I get it. I don't know if YOU quite get it. Have you ever been in a classroom with 15 SpEd kids, another 10 who are in RtI Tier III, and about 15 kids of the 30 in the classroom have behavior issues? The teacher I referred to yesterday has this situation every single year. We don't have assistants where I teach. He has to do it alone. His SpEd kids are pulled out to a Resource Room for 30-45 minutes a day. The rest of the day he has 30 kids with very large needs.

    I think MOST regular ed teachers get it. I truly do. Many times we are doing everything we can do in a day. I am so hands on with my kids, I am taking a sick day this week just so I can get reading assessments done. (As in- I am going to school and using a sick day so I have a sub in my room while I pull kids for assessments.) I don't give my kids busy work and ignore them. I work with them all day long. And I am fortunate- I have 3 SpEd kids, 6 RtI Tier III kids, and only 3 with severe behavior issues.

    Anyway, I am not trying to be rude, but some of your comments are mean and hurtful.
     
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    I agree giraffe326
     
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    I still get the confusion with drawing a conclusion in high school. Do you have a lot of English learners? I think that's where the confusion comes from on my end.

    Although, a few weeks ago, a junior told me that the sun goes out every night and turns back on in the morning. *face palm*
     
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    Nope. 97% Caucasian. About 85% of my students' families have lived in the area for generations.
     
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    Agreed. :yeahthat:
     
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    I am not trying to be rude either. Truly, I am not. However, your comments are also hurtful to me and if the students knew you felt this way, they would be hurt as well.

    I must assure you that I have a VERY demanding class. So, let me ask you, if you had your way, what would the county do with "these children?" I am sorry that you have to be the one to teach them. I think you are feeling burnt out and regretful.

    I am an advocate for my students. I am sorry if I hurt your feelings.
     
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    It is your job as their teacher to MAKE IT WORK.
     
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    If the kids haven't been taught the meaning of draw in that context, then there is no wonder the students would be confused. This doesn't surprise me. Just because someone might have used the phrase before doesn't mean the students internalized the phrase or EVER understood what it meant. Given the terrible situation for these kids the year before, it is even less surprising they didn't understand.

    I think sometimes we forget that just because we may understand something and think it is common that it is not necessarily common for the kids we teach. My grandpa used to say phrases that would make my head spin. The only way to find out what it meant was to ask him to explain the context more.
     
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    I'm not too sure where you read that anyone is complaining about teaching students with special needs/higher needs... It appears to me that the poster is "feeling" for the teacher that has the majority of the special needs/higher needs students placed in his class every school year. He must be a great teacher but if this was you wouldn't you love to have a year where you will know that all of the special needs/higher needs students would be shared equally between all teacher?

    I work in a school where 100% of our students have been diagnosed with a severe behaviorial/emotional disability (many also have learning disabilities, autism, have been abused, are in foster care or involved in the system, cognitive delays etc..) and the teacher across the hall from me has a class that all of us are glad that we don't have. We are working at this school because we love teaching this population but it doesn't mean that any of us would switch classes with this other teacher. Some years it is nice to get a class that "clicks" early in the year but I think always having the class that you know will always be "rocking" will be very stressful (although rewarding once it's settled) after a couple of years. I get all of the students that do not fit any other special needs program in my district even though they do not fit into my class' description -- do I like it all of the time...no, but I learn a lot from working with these students and their families. Do I have days where I wish that I could explain an assignment and have my students follow the directions or call my students to line up and then have all of my students line up without monitoring for physical aggression...ummm...yes!
     
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    On the state test there is a question asking what the three states of matter are. Some of them wrote Texas, Kentucky, etc. it was painful to read:banghead:

    And yes, they had learned the states of matter.
     
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    You have a class of nine and one assistant?? If anyone "doesn't get it" I would think it would be you. Many schools are not as lucky as you and have a class full of SPED kids (diagnosed or not) and do not have the resources you do. Sometimes it is not that easy
     
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    ecteach, I think you have used semantics to draw an unnecessary conclusion (ahem). Giraffe used the term 'dumped on' and you immediately got your hackles up. I can't imagine any teacher here not realizing that every child needs his or her needs met and every child deserves an education. And still, most teachers would acknowledge that some classes are more challenging than others. We are here to share some of those challenges with each other, not to get picked on when we do.
     
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    Test question: What did William Penn allow in his colony?

    My favorite test answer of all time: Pets
     
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    :lol:

    I do a landforms project with my class each year. They have to give the definition of the landform, draw a picture, and locate that landform on a California map. We do words like peninsula, lake, cave, valley, etc.

    One of the words is mouth. Each year someone in the class draws a face with a big, wide open mouth, no matter how many times we talk about words with multiple meanings, no matter how many times we talk about context.

    And, quite often, I get a picture of Superman for cape.
     
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    I have 9 students who happen to have severe disabilities. All of my students have IQ's under 60. Most are way below 60. I have some who are non-ambulatory. I have some who are still in diapers in middle school.

    I feel very confident that I get it. I teach the general curriculum to THESE students, so I just don't see how people can't teach it to kids who a team determined are eligible for services in the general ed environment.

    So, you are telling me you don't have any self-contained classes in your county? Maybe these issues arise because the students are not being placed in their LRE. In that case, something needs to be done.


    From now on, I will try to be more PC. Maybe I flew off of the handle for no reason. I just didn't like the "dumped on" wording.

    Perhaps I am taking the worst of a situation and implying that everyone feels that way.

    But, the original poster did not answer my question when I asked what she meant that in any other county these kids would be put out. Where does she want them put?
     
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    A couple of years ago I asked a question on a Science test about why humans couldn't live on Pluto and one of my students wrote "Because there are dwarfs on it and they are mean"
    I guess we had talked about Pluto being a dwarf planet too much.
     
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    :lol:

    This is what I'm talking about where kids never really understand what is meant by the word. We might think the do or they may even get it for a short bit (then it is out of that memory bucket)....
     
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    Last year on a SS test I had a question about why a certain explorer left Europe, what their motivations for exploration were. One student wrote he was looking for seashells. Loved that kid- but really- sea shells???
     
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    I love all of those answers!!!
     
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    EXACTLY!!!!
    I love my class. I was just giving some back ground information about them. The one teacher I was referring to gets a very high needs class every year of about 30 students. They are never divided equally in 4th grade.
     
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    I am just amazed that they got to 5th grade without being taught this. I admit they had a rough year last year. However, I teach at a school that consistently is the top performing school in my 40 school school district. I've taught the same grade level for 6 years and used the same test every year. For a few years I ONLY taught science. I have given that test 11 times. So we are talking 275 students or so. This was the first time I ever had anyone ask that!
     
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    Oh my! That is funny! Although, I'm sure it was not funny to you at the time!

    I always make my kids learn to label the 50 states on the map. Every year I get at least 1 kid that labels North Carolina wrong. :tired:
     
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    The original poster (myself) never posted that. Someone else did. Again, you are misconstruing information.
     
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    Too cute!
     
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    My favorite answer from last year:

    Q- Do you think that we should attempt to take frozen water from the two-thirds of our fresh water supply that is frozen? Why or why not?

    A- No, because if we used frozen water our showers would be to cold.


    This was from a G/T student!!! I took a picture (which is how I know everything word for word). It still makes me smile!
     
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    Oh, my bad. It was GoBlue who said that. His/her post just sounded so similar to yours that I combined the two in my head. Sorry.
     
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    Oh, and you replied to the post that was in response to his/her post. So, I guess I just got confused. I was in no way trying to "misconstrue information."
     
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    Apology accepted. And I was not accusing you of anything.

    "mis·con·strue
       [mis-kuhn-stroo or, especially Brit., mis-kon-stroo] mis·con·strued, mis·con·stru·ing.
    to misunderstand the meaning of; take in a wrong sense; misinterpret."
     

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