Is it Flattery or Seniority

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  1. nasirahc83

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    Hello Everyone,

    I am curious about a situation that occured today in school. Today, I received a new student even though that increases my total student count to 15 and leaving the veteran teacher to 14 students. I am not sure if I should feel flatter that the adminstration gave me the extra student out of admiration of my abilities as a teacher or if seniority was the issue and because I am new (1st) I get the extra burden.

    What do you all think?:2cents:
     
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  3. mopar

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    Sometimes it is either...but usually it is because one room is a better fit for an extra student or this student in particular.
     
  4. thirdgradebuzz

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    In my school it is neither flattery nor seniority.

    There are only two per grade level here. If the teachers do not have an even number, the teacher with less gets the first student, and it continues to go back and forth.

    I student taught in a larger school that alternated giving out new students to teachers in alphabetical order by teacher name one year and reverse alphabetical order the next.
     
  5. nasirahc83

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    Ok. Thanks
     
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    The same is true here. If one class on a grade level is smaller than the other, that class will get the new student. If the classes are the same size, new students are distributed evenly--first one class, then the other. The only exception to this would be if a new student has identified special needs, then placement would depend on where the most support is available.

    (I am in awe of your class sizes. We had 2 new students start today--the new class sizes are 31 and 32.)
     
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    I think schools try to be fair when placing new students.

    Oh, and 15 second graders?? Wow! Do you work at a private school? All classes at my school (K through 6) have at least 25 kids up to 35 (and I think some were close to 40!!!)
     
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    15? must be nice. I have 34.

    What the secretaries do at our school is go back and forth between the classes and try to balance it out. I bet if another 2nd grader enrolls they will be in your co workers class.
     
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    I have even had some principals go alphabetically by teacher when placing kids.
     
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    I wouldn't think anything of this. I especially wouldn't think of it as an "extra burden". Of course, I do understand that accepting a new student isn't necessarily easy. I had a few new students waiting for me upon returning from break and it takes time to get them up to speed. Anyhow, I would perhaps question the situation had your colleague taught far fewer students, but seeing as you both had fourteen there isn't much of an issue.
     
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    My current school is very fair and places students in similar ways as have been mentioned. HOWEVER, at the last school I worked at, there were two teachers at each grade level. The teacher I taught with, who was a nice person outside of work, but was a person who probably should have retired long ago, was a very complainy and vocal teacher. During the years I taught with her I got pretty much every new student. We had small class sizes, never over 20, so I never was upset about it, but I did notice that she never got any new kids, lol.
     
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    It is generally the same in my school. However, if the incoming student already has friends in one room, and the numbers are about even, usually the new student will be put in a room with established friends to help him/her acclimate more easily.
     
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    Ok, well I guess it depends on the school. I would hope that most schools try to be fair. Having said that, last year was my first year at my current school, and when it came time to get another student, that student was placed in my class. I already had more students than the other first-grade teacher, so I figured it was because of seniority. Of course, the reasons were never explained to me, nor did I ever ask. Our class sizes are really small anyway, so it was fine.
     
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    This is a bit off-topic, but on the note of class sizes mentioned earlier; I teach third grade and have 15 students. My coworker only has 12!
     
  15. Aliceacc

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    My smallest class is 32, my largest 42.

    In my building, class size wouldn't matter as long as there was a desk in the room.
     
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    I just got my 25th 2nd grader today! :dizzy:

    I was the first (in my grade level) to receive a 25th student (the other 2nd grade teachers each have 24 students). The secretaries assured me that I will NOT receive another new student until the rest of the 2nd grade teachers are also at 25 students.
     
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    Alice, do you have the kids grade papers in class or do you have to grade them all?

    At my school the secretaries try to devy out the boys/girls and black/white evenly.
     
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    I have 15 students this year--5th grade public school. :2up:
     
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    I've never asked a kid to grade a paper.

    It's part of my job description, I do it.
     
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    We just go back and forth trying to make the six classes on the grade level the same size (except mine gets to be smaller because I have a student in a wheelchair). The one problem that happens is sometimes a student that has moved has not been officially withdrawn, so when the P looks at the lists, it may look like you have more students than you actually do. Like right now I am sitting at 15 while others have 20-22, but that's because the four that moved over break haven't enrolled in their new schools yet (or been dropped after 15 days of absences).
     
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    Wow. 42 students. Yes, I work at a private school!
     
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    I don't know except the rest of us are jealous of 15 in second grade - we are going to 29 in k next year and 32 in other grades.
     
  23. Aliceacc

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    As most of you know, my kids are in public school.

    Kira's 2nd grade class is down to 27; three parents pulled their kids out after last year's nightmare.
     
  24. EMonkey

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    If you and your fellow teacher had equal numbers then they admin had to put the kid some place. I would say start worrying about the reasoning if when another child comes in late and that child is also put in your room. It may be your room got the first additional student because of specific children in the other teacher's room. Probably if you get another incoming student the admin will place that one in the other second grade classroom.
     
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    That's what we do...if all classes are even in number, they go alphabetically. Both classes in the OP's situation had 14 and the new kid was given to the OP. The other teacher will get the next new one..
     
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    Our principal is supposed to do an intake interview to get some background info on the child. He asks family if kid can start in a day or so. Principal is then to meet with grade level staff for them to decide who gets the new students. We base this decision not only on class size, but case load. You may have less kids, but that doens't mean you have an easier load.
    We are then to let the office know which teacher gets the kid and we call the family to let them know.


    That being said, it doesn't always go as planned. We are a public school and if the parents request that the child start immediately, then they have the right to do so. Sometimes, the family won't wait to know where their child will be placed so they have to make an immediate decision. In taht case, they do go by numbers.
     
  27. Aliceacc

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    But, if, as the OP stated, the two classes started off even, then there's no real reason why the new child shouldn't be placed with her. One of the classes will have an extra student. Why should either professional be exempt from having a slightly larger class?
     

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