Interesting hire at my school

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  1. Mr.history

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    Ok so my school hired a pretty interesting teacher in my department this year. On the first day of school they told us in a department that they didn't have a drivers license because they got a DUI but that they still drives to school every day.

    Their classes have been going pretty awfully and there have been parent complaints. Then for the last week they called out all week and left 0 lesson plans for their sub, didn't contact anyone to tell them what to do, ect. My department and I literally had to scramble every morning trying to find something for their students to do. The problem is they are way behind in the curriculum and isn't teaching the same things we are anymore. So we couldn't just pass their sub what we were doing.

    My question is, should I feel bad if I'm considering telling the campus cop about this persons suspended license? I know for a fact that he would stop them and that they would most likely be fired if they took them to jail(which I'm pretty sure they would do). I really feel like this person is short changing their students, they are literally a month or more behind our other classes of the same subject. The inclusion teacher told me that he was asked to make this teachers lesson plans for them(he is only in this class 1 period of the day and works with 4 other teachers too). Its just been a mess. On one hand I feel like I would probably feel bad, on the other hand it would solve a lot of issues for us. Eh, I probably wouldn't do it, I'm just venting.
     
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  3. czacza

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    Its not your job to disclose this information.:2cents:
     
  4. Mr.history

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    I mostly agree. I'm just aggravated about the situation. I think I would feel bad about it later. This person will probably implode on their own.
     
  5. czacza

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    Truthfully, it certainly looks like it.
    While I empathize with you and feel for the students, your school should have done its due diligence in their hiring decision..
     
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    But I would argue that it is your responsibility to let it be known that your students are in a room with someone flagrantly breaking the law on a daily basis.
     
  7. DrivingPigeon

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    I agree. It sounds like this person should not be in a position to teach. S/he isn't keeping up with the curriculum, and not showing up for work. If there were something you could do to get him/her out of the school sooner than later, I would do it.
     
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    Are you being asked by administration to provide work for the classes or is the sub asking? I ask because if admin doesn't know, then the department head should let it be known. Our school is small, so things aren't well hidden. I did my student teaching at a larger school, and I never saw the principal.

    It sounds like things will be over soon enough. We once hired a teacher with a major alcohol problem. She failed to do her job when she was at work, leaving us scrambling to cover. She would be asleep at her desk, late, or not come in at all. One morning she passed out in her car and didn't even make it into the building. She was arrested. Fired. A couple of years later she died. Really sad situation.
     
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    I WOULD tell if I knew that the person behind the wheel was under the influence. As far as driving without a license, I leave that to the police. I am just as scared of some seniors who can barely control their cars or drive safely. And yes, I mean the silver haired crowd as well as those brand new drivers who think they know it all! As far as the class and lack of prep - I think that situation will also draw attention farther up the food chain soon, if not already.
     
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    Has the person come back from their week off? If not, maybe the situation has resolved itself!
     
  11. kcjo13

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    This sounds like one of those things where you need to just stand back and watch what happens.

    Unfortunately, this person's students have now lost out on (presumably) 6-9 weeks of quality education because of a school's lack of due diligence.

    If you have knowledge of a person's breaking the law, then a part of me feels it is your civic duty to stop that from happening. I wouldn't involve a campus cop though, if you really wanted that behavior to stop, you should call the police. I know not everyone would agree with that, but hey-it's the law. A quick cell phone pic snapped when this person is driving, and sent to a tip line might be in order. Again, I know that is controversial, but sometimes it's just not right to turn a blind eye.

    As for sub plans, I would flat out refuse to give them up. When questioned, I would simply state that this person is not in the same place of the curriculum, and you have no way to create meaningful lesson plans given this person's repeated absence.
     
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    I like the picture of the person behind the wheel - adding a pic of the license plate couldn't hurt.
     
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    And you can submit anonymously, of course.
     
  14. Mr.history

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    The person came to work yesterday for the first time in a week. Didn't come to school today though. And of course, there were no plans left. What kills me is that this person is teaching AP courses, these are where the parent complaints are coming from.
     
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    ICAM. It is not the OP's business to expose the co-worker.

    I wouldn't even consider messing with someone's personal/non-work life that. Why have someone arrested because you're upset that they aren't coming to work and leaving sub plans?
     
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    Also, OP, what would you do if you didn't have any dirt on your co-worker? I hate to say it, but you would just have to suck it up and deal.

    Honestly, the situation you described is nothing unique in my school (we currently have 3 teaching vacancies; 2 from teachers quitting in September). We can only get one LTS and she doesn't even teach; she passes out packets and manages the kids. Everyday, our teachers are covering classes and throwing together sub work until Admin can hire new teachers.

    It just is what it is - but it is surely NOT serious enough for me to ever try to get someone arrested or fired ... geesh!
     
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    Have you ever noticed, though, the number of people who cause serious accidents who are driving without a license? It seems that those of us, whoever we may be, who are forced to carry uninsured motorist insurance and pay higher premiums for that, should have an interest in someone driving without a license. It is still considered against the law. I know that what is going on within the school is completely different from the no license thing, as it should be. We just see drivers without licenses, usually by virtue of DUI's, behind the wheel at some pretty horrific crashes in NJ. Yes, other drivers can cause carnage, but at least they were licensed. The license doesn't make you a better driver, but it makes you a legal driver. That matter's to me.
     
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    I guess I just feel that before I'm a teacher, or an employee, I'm a citizen. And I have to share air and space with others, people who I expect to respect the law.

    Where is the line? What if a person confessed to you that they didn't have insurance on their car? Or smoked pot every night? Or hosted dog fights in their garage? Or didn't pay their taxes? Or liked kiddie porn? When do you stop being just a coworker and become a concerned citizen?

    Getting a DUI is serious business, and losing your license because of it is even more serious. Continuing to drive while having that is breaking the law. And if a person has knowledge of that-again, I just feel that it is a civic duty to stop that. :sorry:
     
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    I guess I have to agree with this post. there comes a point in time when our morality or civic duty takes precedence. That teacher lost the license due to a DUI. I would hate for one of my students to be killed by that teacher driving drunk to school.

    Now, is there a possibility that the teacher is blowing smoke and really does have a license? If that is the case, then there is nothing to report and karma will work in the school's favor, hopefully.

    How can the admin let an AP course go so woefully wrong for so long?!
     
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    It seems like the situation will eventually implode on itself.

    But I know in NJ, people who work at a court (like my mother) cannot outright call the cops and go "Hey, this guy who just paid a ticket is drunk as a skunk."

    But they can pull a cop to the side and go "Hey, that guy who just paid a ticket, you should keep an eye on him as he leaves the parking lot."

    They aren't allowed to tell the cops if someone drove to the court drunk, which is rather odd.
     
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    I'm not angry just because they aren't leaving sub plans. I'm more angry that they aren't doing their job on a weekly basis. I didn't go facebook stalking to find out this information. They told us as a department at our first deparment meeting. They were almost proud of it.

    Also I already mentioned that I was mostly just venting, which last time I checked was allowed.
     
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    If it had been made public information in a professional setting, I WOULD strongly consider passing along the information to your principal.
     
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    If I were in your position, I would mind my own business unless there was an imminent safety issue, like if I legitimately suspected this teacher of being drunk at school or of driving drunk to or from school. Driving without a license isn't going to kill a pedestrian, whereas driving drunk certainly could. To me that's where the line is.
     
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    I would just be so upset if this teacher was my child's teacher. :(
    Also, angry for admin for hiring them…surely someone like this is already sending red flags to them?
    Hopefully admin recognizes and they are taking care of the situation. Maybe it just isn't known to staff yet? Hopeful...
     
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    Would you notify administration of a colleague who smoked pot recreationally? Didn't declare all their tutoring money on taxes? Exceeded the speed limit?


    He's not going to last long with such frequent absences, no plans and parent om plains...let it be...it will be rectified on its own...in the meantime maybe the department could offer the students from their class to join any tutoring/extra help hors they have.
     
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    I agree with this.

    Just teach. Let admin handle this when they feel it needs handling. This person may be a bigger drunk than Gerard Depardieu, but unless this teacher is heavily drunk in class than I don't see any reason to report them.

    Since this co-worker is missing so much work I doubt they will last long anyway. As for the absent thing, maybe they are sleeping off the alcohol? In that case better them be at home versus at school/driving to and from school.
     
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    How do you get along with the P? If you really get along well and your P values your opinion, it might be okay to let your P know your concerns. Some Ps are looking for more documentation to build their case in getting rid of such a teacher as the nut that you describe. I would work with the P on this or not at all. Going around the P and informing the law could come back to bite you.
     
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    If I thought a staff member was causing real problems for kids I would speak up to the adm.
     
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    That is quite a strawman. I said "flagrantly breaking the law on a daily basis."

    So, yes I would notify of drug use (even once), constant and purposeful tax evasion and driving recklessly.
     
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    Exactly.
     
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    Swansong has opened another thread about reporting illegal behavior. Let's try to move that discussion there, and keep this one relevant to the OP's question.

    To the OP-I understand your frustration and I would completely share your desire to do "something".

    Unfortunately, there might not be a lot you can do here. If it were me, I would request a department meeting and lay out my frustrations. Above all, there are students who are suffering, and if they are AP students, you can bet that there will be parental ramifications. Your administration needs to be involved, and that should come from the department chair. Air your concerns to your chair, then shut your door and do the best you can.
     
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    Are you in a union? To what extent do you see this falling in admins responsibility?
     
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    I would mind my own beeswax in this situation. Teacher's undergo background checks so the dui should have shown up. Also it's possible to have a suspended license with a stipulation a person can drive to work and then home. Do they really take people to jail for driving on a suspended license? I would think a fine...look at the condition or our jails and prisions. Plus, as you said this is an interesting character. I mean who tells on themselves or brags about a DUI? I don't blame you for venting. I would too.
     
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    Do not get involved! This is your administrators job.
     
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    In NJ, driving on a suspended license (first offense) gets you:
    1. Your license is suspended for an additional 1-2 years (for first time DUI offenders, your license is lost for 3-12 months, so this would double it)
    2. You get a $500 fine and a $250/year (for 3 years) surcharge
    3. A prison term from 10-90 days (Usually given after multiple suspended license offenses)
     
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    Thanks Bros.
     
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    I live in Fla. Unions have little power. They fired lots of teachers when they went on strike (I was in Jr high then). What I am saying is if I think a staff member in my school is detrimental to kids my boss (the principal) is the one to go to.
     

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