In School Suspension Held in My Classroom?

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  1. teachersk

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    Today the in school suspension monitor brought two students into my classroom. It completely disrupted our rhythm and routine that I have worked so hard to build with my students.

    Yes, there will be disruptions. Yes, kids with autism need to learn to accept change. But, having in school suspension in my room? Does that seem fair? Or legal? The kids were sitting at MY kiddos desks, and this was bothering them, to the point of complete and utter distraction. One child was repeating "who's that boy who's that boy who's that boy" because her autism causes her to seriously perseverate on things.

    I just find it outright disrespectful that this would be okay to happen in a classroom. I am a teacher, we are a class, my students are students at the school. Why is it okay to have ISS in my room?

    I was told "what is different about having it in your room than having it in a third grade room?" And I responded with "well what IS different, why dont you have it in a third grade room where disruptions and change are not a problem?" the response was "we'd never do it in a third grade room..... you only have five students! Your room is perfect. There are two adults and five students!"


    How does that make it okay? Does anyone have a legal side to this? Is it not confidentiality breaching to have an extra adult in the room who has no interest in my kids education? What about random regular ed punk misbehaving kids?? IS it fair that THEY are being "sent" to be "Punished" by being put in a classroom of kids with moderate to severe disabilities?


    I am really just irate so I guess I'll stop talking. If anyone has any ideas for me (legally, etc.) that would be greatly appreciated.

    Thanks ahead of time.
     
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  3. kabd54

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    Did you talk with your principal? Do you have a Spec. Ed. department head in your school with whom you can speak? What policy does your school have with regards to in-school suspensions? Is any class in the school used, or just certain ones?

    Sorry about the questions, and I'm afraid I don't have any legal advice to give you, but I know for a fact that your classroom is definitely different from a regular grade three classroom and that there is a GOOD reason for the 2 adult, 5 student ratio. That being said, I would definitely talk to the principal about this situation and ask for clarification regarding ISS rules.

    I sure hope that this doesn't happen to you again, but as in all situations, one has to be pro-active in order to advocate for what's right and in the best interests of one's students.
     
  4. Caesar753

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    I'm surprised that they have it in an active classroom at all, really, whether it's yours or a third grade room. Isn't there a resource room where they can go?

    Do you have a special ed facilitator at your school? Or, do you have an administrator who is usually on your side? It might be time to approach them, humbly and respectfully, of course, and gently suggest that your students are being severely disrupted by the practice of placing ISS students in your classroom.

    I'm not sure there are any legality issues, unless you're being asked to monitor the ISS students and you have some sort of cap on the number of special education students you can have or something like that.
     
  5. teachersk

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    What it comes down to is respect. Respect for my students and respect for me as a teacher. Respect for my children and what their disabilities require. The reason they are in a self contained room is because they need strict structure and routine. No distractions.

    It is not a matter of the adult to child ratio because the ISS monitor comes with the kids into my room. So, it wouldn't matter if I had 4 kids or 14 kids, they would bring their own monitor. But, she asked me questions, used my materials, messed up my students individual work areas that I stay after school to prepare, and then left. It was like a tornado whirlwind coming into the room.

    It just bothers me that it would be okay to disrupt a classroom of children, regardless of what kind of classroom it is. I understand that a third grade classroom is different in a sense that there are 22 kids and they are all "normal", but why would that mean it's okay to disrupt my class of 5 kids? We are also learning, we also have to take state tests, we also have a schedule in our day. We're not just jumping on our trampoline all day.

    I think it's really the principle of the whole thing. Because, I did talk to administration and I was told that I was wrong. I was told that I was "lucky to even have a classroom." What is that supposed to mean? Where would my students and I be if we didn't have a classroom?

    It's all just very frustrating to me. These are kids too. They are learning too! Why would it be okay (even if I DO only have 5 kids) to hold in school suspension in ANY classroom where learning is taking place? In school suspension is for those students who are so disruptive and careless about their learning, that they have to be sent to the office. Then they come to my room?

    Unfair for all parties.

    It might not ever happen again because I did contact our special education department at the district. It DID concern them and they'll hopefully be doing something about it.

    I did have a very frustrating day yesterday so that was not the best day for that to happen. It seems like my class, my students, and myself, it seems as though we are always at the bottom of the barrel. We are continuously a dumping ground for things that do not belong in my room, because they think we have "extra time" and extra "hands." They take my aide to use her elsewhere and I am left with four children that are seriously disabiled and cannot be left unattended. What if a child has to use the restroom? I have to bring them all.

    It's all just very unequal to me.
     
  6. FTSP

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    Do the parents of your students know that the class aide is pulled out? I know I would have a huge problem if my daughter's teacher was left in the class w/o an aide and I , as a parent, would be complaining to anyone and everyone who would listen until that was stopped.
     
  7. wvsasha

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    Do you belong to a union? You can also bring them in on your side. Laws vary from state to state, but confidentiality is constant. Those ISS children and the adult with them, should NOT be in your class. Period. It's a lawsuit waiting to happen.
     
  8. AspieTeacher

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    teachersk,

    I was trained as a teacher in Texas for special education as well. If you don't have a union to back you up on what happened to you, document the times that they brought students into your classroom for ISS and explain to your PARENTS that they are using your room for their disciplinary practices. Also, make sure there are at least 2 people present when you have to make a complaint. I would bring this issue up with the parents and they might have the right to a "FAIR HEARING" to make the school stop doing this. I have allowed the general education site school where I work bring students who need to be away from their classroom to cool down. The SDC teachers always asked me before they did this though. I don't think i'm going to be doing this soon. I have 9 students at a local middle school with autism and only 1 para-educator for help. I have 1 new students with severe ADHD and they put him in my class because they think I can work miracles. He is disrupting my other students though. I still think you need to bring the parents into this issue. The school should not be able to dictate who goes into your class unless you are the ISS teacher. I think it's ridiculous that they treat our students with autism like they are second class citizens.

    aspieteacher
    They'd better be GRATEFUL they didn't do this to me. I'd go AS on them! My meltdown would make them freak out.
     
  9. Proud2BATeacher

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    As far as I know, as long as you are not teaching the "regular ed." students, they can sit in your room.
     
  10. Proud2BATeacher

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    Aspie, I had a student with severe ADHD placed in my mild autism class last year. They thought he was autistic because he liked to talk to himself in the bathroom and because he licked his hands (he sang in the bathroom in my class and never licked his hands after the first week and his having to wash them whenever I saw him lick them). At the end of the year, he began manipulating my students (getting them to eat sand, telling them it was okay if they screamed on the bus, talking them into going into off limit areas...). I was finally able to put him in an EBD class. He was a bright little boy and his parents would not medicate him, so he is now falling further behind in academics because he cannot focus and he is in an EBD class because he is so disruptive.
     
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    Proud,

    I can't stand when parents don't REALIZE that these students may need more than just a behavior adjustment. Some students need medicine to help them focus. This new student is also acting out "sexually" towards me, my staff and other students. His father says, "he's just testing you" but he doesn't seem to care that his son is disrupting my other students. Maybe some parent involvement will have to be implemented to get this kid out of my class. He also tries to have a "BM" in the boys urinal and he laughs about it. The more we ignore his little antics which aren't troublesome, he will ESCALATE until we have to intervene. I'm getting tired of him disrupting my entire program because a father is totally clueless about his true nature of his condition. This boy doesn't interact with my students, but he loves the adults and he wants attention just from us. He has given some "sexual" gestures which could EASILY be interpreted from a porn movie. I'm tired of his father brushing off the behavior. There are NO CONSEQUENCES for his misbehavior at all. I work with moderate-severe autism and they shoved this low-functioning ED student in my room because they know he'd be beat up in the ED classroom.

    aspieteacher
     
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    My student's parents' answer to all of my concerns was usually "I'll talk to him." They just couldn't get it though their head that 99% of the time, he could not help it. He was always in constant motion, unfocused and needed so much more assistance than my other students combined (I mentioned this to his parents and the fact that IQ wise he was average but he was functioning below the students in my class in the same grade but with cognitive delays). I really can't imagine why a parent would want their child with ADHD in a self-contained autism class... I was lucky and had a small hallway connecting my class to the the other autism class next door. We also had 2 student restrooms in this hallway. We put 2 desks in the hallway and sent students who were unable to focus in the classroom to sit at a desk in the hallway. My students' mom hated that he spent a lot of his work time there but the alternative was that he did nothing while he stayed in the classroom.

    I tried to tell one of my assistance APs that this student did not show any autistic tendancies and she actually told me to wait a couple of weeks because "they will come". Well, I waited 10 months...
     
  13. MissScrimmage

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    This makes me sick! Lucky to even have a classroom???

    I have never heard of ISS students being in other classrooms with classes going on. In the schools I've been in, either the student sits in the office all day or they are in a resource room. Never even seeing other students!
     
  14. tx ppcd

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    No, those students DO NOT belong in your classroom at all. If they are not being serviced by you because of a disability then legally they are not supposed to be in your classroom.
     

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