If not teaching what?

Discussion in 'Job Seekers' started by BerniceBobs, Jul 11, 2009.

  1. BerniceBobs

    BerniceBobs Comrade

    Joined:
    Aug 4, 2008
    Messages:
    261
    Likes Received:
    0

    Jul 11, 2009

    I think this has been queried here before, but if one decides to give up on teaching, where does one go? What other professions could benefit from our educational background and classroom experience?

    I am three weeks into my summer school teaching job and there are 0 jobs in my area. Not only that, this last year of long term subbing and summer school teaching has taught me that perhaps I am not meant to teach. I have passion for literature and I am good at writing exciting and creative lesson plans, but I am not good at classroom management. I'm just not. I seem to be losing the battle against cell phones, IPods, hats, hoods, gang activity, talking and texting. I just want to teach. It seems to me that classroom management is 40% of the job. I am not looking forward to another year of subbing, either on a short term or long term basis.
    Therefore, I am looking into other arenas which are somehow connected to education. The problem is that jobs are scarce in all areas, not just in education.
    Is anyone else entertaining similar thoughts?
     
  2.  
  3. McKennaL

    McKennaL Groupie

    Joined:
    Aug 24, 2008
    Messages:
    1,378
    Likes Received:
    0

    Jul 11, 2009

    I think I would do well at being a workshop facilitator for a textbook publisher... or a researcher, writer/developer for a teacher magazine like The Mailbox. I love public speaking and enjoy lesson/unit planning.
     
  4. justfluttering

    justfluttering Rookie

    Joined:
    Mar 4, 2009
    Messages:
    66
    Likes Received:
    0

    Jul 11, 2009

    Classroom management is 90% of the job, I mean the kids have to be managed and so do the admins. I was evaluated by the P, all he looked at was class management and I scored poorly. He didn't even care about curriculum. He wanted to see students sitting down taking notes. I am a new teacher with only a few months experience and I just didn't get it all together fast enough for my first and so far only P.
    At my most recent interview I told the P straight up that if he wants kids in neat rows sitting quietly, he better make that known right away because I was trained to be very hands on with my activities. I can do lots of worksheets but that's boring.
    But yes, I am looking at other jobs. I have a degree in Biology and experience in Food Service and management. I had an interview on Friday and I have one on Monday for high school science, but I am applying in other categories.
     
  5. justfluttering

    justfluttering Rookie

    Joined:
    Mar 4, 2009
    Messages:
    66
    Likes Received:
    0

    Jul 11, 2009

    I would love to do education outreach for like the health department or something like that...
     
  6. KinderESLtchr

    KinderESLtchr Rookie

    Joined:
    Jul 9, 2009
    Messages:
    88
    Likes Received:
    0

    Jul 11, 2009

    I'd want to work with refugees somehow like with a resettlement/advocacy agency (I teach refugees now,) and maybe also be a children's book writer (writing books about diversity and tolerance.)
    I also would really like to be an online professor and/or work in a museum as curator or as a historian of some kind. That would be amazing.
    There's too much stuff I'd like to do!:)
     
  7. ecl

    ecl Rookie

    Joined:
    Mar 15, 2009
    Messages:
    87
    Likes Received:
    0

    Jul 12, 2009

    You have a passion for literature? You excel at writing creative lesson plans? Then don't give up. It takes some time and experience to become a good classroom manager.

    Read "Setting Limits in the Classroom" by Robert Mackenzie. Give his methods a try and you will see immediate results. Then decide if you really want to get out of the profession. You have a lot to offer students. Don't sell yourself short and settle for less.
     
  8. Simba

    Simba Comrade

    Joined:
    Jun 18, 2009
    Messages:
    302
    Likes Received:
    0

    Jul 12, 2009

    I really don't know. It's so frustrating.

    I think everyone responding to this post has great potential!!
     
  9. BerniceBobs

    BerniceBobs Comrade

    Joined:
    Aug 4, 2008
    Messages:
    261
    Likes Received:
    0

    Jul 12, 2009


    That's where I am heading too McK. I think that is an interesting proespect for you if you don't obtain a job this year (but I bet you will).
    I just want to know that my master's degree, my credential and my education experience accounts for something!
     
  10. BerniceBobs

    BerniceBobs Comrade

    Joined:
    Aug 4, 2008
    Messages:
    261
    Likes Received:
    0

    Jul 12, 2009

    You're correct Just Fluttering. Classroom management can be 90% of the job in the first month of teaching.
    Also, if you don't have strong administrative support, it's even more of an up hill battle. Last spring, the principal at the middle school where I was teaching, held a staff meeting in which the basic message was,"If you write a referral, this is a failure on your part to manage your class." The students KNOW the school frowns on referrals and they behave in kind.
     
  11. BerniceBobs

    BerniceBobs Comrade

    Joined:
    Aug 4, 2008
    Messages:
    261
    Likes Received:
    0

    Jul 12, 2009

    You're very thoughtful, and thank you for the book recomendation.
    It's hard to say I am quitting when there are no jobs to speak of and future prospects look grim.
    But I will get that book because clearly I am looking at another year of subbing and I really do need to work on my classroom management skills (or lack there of--ha!).
     
  12. suzerich

    suzerich Companion

    Joined:
    Jun 3, 2008
    Messages:
    213
    Likes Received:
    0

    Jul 12, 2009

    I am coming from a museum background and have mentioned it in the past. There are a lot of museums out there with education programs that teachers are suitable for. The main reason I'm looking at teaching rather than library or Museum is that we live in rural Ellis County, Texas and there is one museum within a 30 minute drive from our home, and just a few libraries, so job prospects using my education are minimal, unless I choose to relocate. Since we live on a farm, that's not an option. So, last year, I decided to try the ACP route before School Library Certification. Now days, you have to have 2 years of education experience before you can be a certified librarian.

    For options in Texas and in regional Museum's try these websites.

    http://io.com/~tam (Texas Association of Museums jobline)

    American Association of Museums (I don't have the exact website)

    http://www.txla.org (Texas Library Association)

    Texas Parks and Wildlife

    www.usajobs.net (Government jobs, National Park Service jobs are part of the Interior Department)

    Museums select their exhibit material and follow the TEKS for their programming, so there might be something you can find through one of these websites.

    Also, finding a job in a museum is difficutl too, but I've never encountered the "strangeness" of applying for a teaching job before. I think you have to go to the four year BA program just to fill out the applications, which are never user friendly for ACP candidates.
     
  13. Kangaroo22

    Kangaroo22 Virtuoso

    Joined:
    Jan 13, 2008
    Messages:
    6,216
    Likes Received:
    0

    Jul 12, 2009

    I'm looking at jobs in colleges and universities (like academic advisement or admissions type jobs) and eventually I may decide to just go full time and into management at the grocery store that I work at.
     
  14. ambritlit

    ambritlit Companion

    Joined:
    Jul 10, 2007
    Messages:
    155
    Likes Received:
    0

    Jul 12, 2009

    I interviewed for an academic advisor position at the local university. They offered me the job but I had already accepted a teaching position. The cool thing about it is free tuition for employees and their children. You could continue your education if you are so inclined.
     
  15. SCTeachInTX

    SCTeachInTX Fanatic

    Joined:
    May 27, 2009
    Messages:
    2,972
    Likes Received:
    0

    Jul 12, 2009

    McKenna- I worked for a company called the Wright Group for several years and did enjoy that. I was teaching at the time and made more money on the weekends with them, than I did teaching. I was a speaker talking about Literacy for their company. Anyhow, there were book rep jobs that paid good money. I am not sure if that is something you would be interested in, but with what you said, it sounds like it might. I don't know this just popped into my head. Some people call that ADD.:p
     
  16. Yank7

    Yank7 Habitué

    Joined:
    Aug 24, 2007
    Messages:
    870
    Likes Received:
    0

    Jul 12, 2009

    IT takes time to learn classroom discipline techniques and even then it is always a challenge.Our teaching preparation courses never prepare us for the actions of some of the children in the classroom.I have used123 Magic for teachers by Thomas Phelan &Sarah Jane Schonour.There are many other books available on line or at any teacher supply store.However,just experience helps you to become a better classroom disciplinarian.
    You might also look into jobs in the educational field that allows you to work one on one or in small group Example Guidance position,Reading or Math Specialist,Social Worker, Curriculum writer.Good Luck in whatever you decide to do.
     
  17. BerniceBobs

    BerniceBobs Comrade

    Joined:
    Aug 4, 2008
    Messages:
    261
    Likes Received:
    0

    Jul 12, 2009

    Thanks Yank7.
    It's true. As a LTS. I have never really had my own classroom.
    Sure, I have my summer school classes now, but these are students who flunked their courses--that's why they are here. A majority of them are either in gangs or high, or both. I had to break up a gang related fight in the stairwell last week.
    I am to teach two 2-hour classes and some of the students I have for a solid four hours without a break or a prep period. I try hard to break it up and inject some sense of relief into it but I think after 90 minutes I have just lost them.

    I work so hard on my lesson plans and am spending well over a hundred dollars a week on supplies and copies because the district can't provide us with anything. I even had to borrow an overhead projector from a friend.
    I come in every morning armed with my lesson plans and enthusiasm but depart every afternoon feeling so defeated.
     
  18. McKennaL

    McKennaL Groupie

    Joined:
    Aug 24, 2008
    Messages:
    1,378
    Likes Received:
    0

    Jul 13, 2009

    Take a look into Power Teaching (they have an area in this forum). Classroom management (for me....EVEN in my time as a sub) SINCE Power Teaching is pretty well a piece of cake. It's AMAZING!
     
  19. MATgrad

    MATgrad Groupie

    Joined:
    Jun 13, 2007
    Messages:
    1,437
    Likes Received:
    0

    Jul 13, 2009

    I'm serving legal notices right now. I hate it but business is booming. I'm the person that comes to your door and says "Mr. Smith consider yourself served." On Friday, I had to serve an eviction notice to a family that refused to move out of their foreclosed home. They had till 5pm to vacate.

    I also visit homes to see who is there and note the condition of the home. These are homes that are at some point in the foreclosure process. The company I work for likes me because I'm a petite female and people don't suspect women.
     
  20. rachaelski

    rachaelski Habitué

    Joined:
    May 22, 2009
    Messages:
    788
    Likes Received:
    0

    Jul 13, 2009

    I hope you don't give up on teaching! With management, the thing you need to remember is that you need to do something that works for your personality. One of my former co-teachers is a yeller. She yells and no one ever gets offended. She is a big, booming sort of woman. Me, being a short, somewhat screechy (when I yell) woman-- yelling doesn't work. But my teacher stare will get a typical middle schooler to do anything short of tap dancing. And I get to smile afterwards...So keep searching for something that works for you.

    Otherwise...

    Some people on here are private tutors, textbook companies, if you have your masters you can teach at some community colleges (though they want you to have experience in the classroom).
     
  21. Aliceacc

    Aliceacc Multitudinous

    Joined:
    Apr 12, 2006
    Messages:
    27,534
    Likes Received:
    6

    Jul 13, 2009

Share This Page

Members Online Now

  1. stargirl,
  2. Backroads
Total: 466 (members: 3, guests: 438, robots: 25)
test