I was attacked by one of my students

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    First off let me say I am fine and it did not freak me out this is a positive post.

    There is nothing like being attacked and having to fill out a ton of paperwork to see where your school and principals stand in their support. You see at my last school, I had no support from my principal and if I had been attacked and I had hurt the student to get away I would have been put on suspension and eventually let go, they worried more about how the school looked not the safety of their teachers. It was so bad I quit teaching for 10 years and just started again this year.

    I loved this school when I interviewed they seemed supportive, but you never know. SO this troubled student who has been in SAC before came at me while my male aide was out, because I took away his bathroom privilege for playing in the hallways, ( this student is 6 feet tall and weighs about 142).

    So he grabbed me a few times and I got away when he came up from behind and grabbed me he did not hurt me but I could not get my wrists away without harming him, luckily I have a panic button on my desk I was able to push to get other teachers to come over and pull him off of me (Mind you, he was not hurting me)Anyway after that came the paperwork and the talk with the principal to let him know. I was terrified to go to him for fear he would blame me and I am new so I was freaked and asked my mentor to go with me.

    I walked in and all he could do was say "we need to get rid of that student, no student will hurt one of our teachers,How do we get him back in SAC." Gosh all the principals were so proactive in helping me, it was great, All the diags called the Learning center got me phone numbers of therapist and such to call. On Friday I had a consulting teacher, an OT, his old teacher from the Learning center and his therapist in my room watching him and consulting with me on what to do if there is a next time and how to avoid it.

    I taught ED kids before, had a gun pulled on me and NEVER got this much support, it is so great to be in this kind of environment, not only is it good for the teacher but if we are happy it is much easier to keep the kids happy, even the troubled ones. I just had to brag about my school.
     
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    Glad to hear you got the support! I can imagine how you felt about the whole situation...glad it turned out in your favor.
     
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    Giggles, your post sure makes me glad I teach Kinders and have NEVER had anything so terrifying happen to me. So glad your principal is supportive and especially that you are ok! :)
     
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    I'm glad you were unharmed. You are very lucky to be in such a supportive environment. I hope your year is better.
     
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    Oh yes I filled out paper work out the wazzoo teardrop, On top of filling out 6 pages by hand I also had to fill out 4 forms online on SEAS, being new I worked on it for my entire 2 hour conference period but next time it should only take me about 15 minutes.
     
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    Giggles,

    The main reason I left Texas is the fact that the teachers are the biggest blame for the students not making progress. There is no support for teachers in Texas and the administrators will lie, cheat and cover tracks just so they don't get sued. Tell your fellow colleagues that here in CA, they need good teachers like yourself who care. We have TONS of protection out here. I will say this though giggles, when a student places his/her hands on me, "that is when restraint will have to be necessary." If a student is going to attack, i'm going to defend myself at all costs. We have students with autism who will "bite, kick, hit, throw, spit, vomit, ect." and we are allowed to legally restrain as necessary. I think it's great that you have an administrator who supports your teaching procedures and safeguards. Remember to tell him/her in "writing" how you appreciate being supported.

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    Where my friend's son went to. I would say the teachers, asst teachers amd asst principals are to blame. That doesn't mean all special ed teachers, asst teachers, asst principals are bad.
     
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    I don't know much about Autism, but I'm sure that they don't fully understand what they are doing. My friend lives next door to one. When I go to visit her, sometimes I see him in her yard. From meeting him, I can tell he doesn't know what he is doing. He bites too. I have to say she is really good with him. I can see that you have to deal with it at times by holding them or what ever, but if a special ed kid attacks me, I will try my best not to defend myself by at all cost. Unless they have a gun or knife and it's either my life or theirs. I try to remember that they are not all there and shouldn't have their butts kicked up around their necks for something they can not help.
     
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    Well this student is a pretty High functioning Autistic student, he knew what he was doing, he has behavioral tendancies such as these as he has been in an alternative school which I think is all fine and dandy, and they came and told me what I needed to do to avoid another encounter like that, BUT what I am thinking is in life he is not going to be sheltered, I mean he has a job and does outside civic duties and is involved with boy scouts etc.

    What if someone on the outside ticks him off and he goes after them. It is not that common with him, but IT could and probably will happen. What I found out is that they worked with him on trying to avoid those behaviors very little and focused more on how to redirect them and how the teachers should redirect it, WELL who is going to do that in real life in the real world at work, he is 19 years Old he only has 3 more years in school. He can be independant for short periods of times.

    I have not had another incident and I have not sugar coated the way I do things with him like they said I should because the harsh reality is in real life he will face far worse than me telling him he cannot go to the bathroom or he must walk behind me in the hallways.
     
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    Yeah, from what I have heard about these kids and being mistreated. I would have to agree with you about facing a lot more worse things. God bless them !
     
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    Now about going to the restroom. I do believe in that. Not everyone has the same time set on when they need to go. Some have a hard time holding it until they get home. This, to me, makes it hard to learn and the special ones need all the help they can get. Sitting there trying to hold yourself is hard. Some might have a doctors appt after school and need to get there soon. Yet, they have to stop because their child is kicking in the back seat trying to hold it and ready to bust.
     
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    No you have to understand this he does not have to go to the restroom, he had just been 15 minutes before, he says he has to go to the bathroom to leave class, and he does a Pee pee dance when he has to go, I have 4 restroom breaks in his schedule and actually he gets 6 because goes twice in PE, going to the bathroom is more of a reward for him sometimes he goes to the bathroom and just stands there and comes back, I was not taking away a natural need at the time, he does the same thing with getting water, he takes advantage of a situation to leave class and all this is in his IEP so I am no infringing on his right to go to the bathroom, just so all of you know.
     
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    I love the reference to the pee pee dance! I taught at a school last year where kids in my class would ask to go just to get out of class. When I used my judgement correctly and said "NO", some of these students would start holding their privates and writhing in supposed pain saying but I have to go now!!! Some would back down after 2-3 minutes and forget all about it....because they never had to go...while others would keep doing the pee pee dance for the entire period! AWFUL!!! I couldn't teach a thing and they put on a show for the whole room....I inherited this class mid year after 4 other teachers had quit and it was a regular ed room so this has nothing to do with children with special needs.
     
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    Giggles,

    Was this student becoming sensory-overloaded? Do you have a "sensory time-out" area in the room where he can isolate himself when he becomes easily overwhelmed? I think it's wrong to force a student to deal with what is bothering him because he will become way too overwhelmed. I used to get bad sensory-overload while working in a grocery store and I "begged" for a restroom break and they denied it. So they got what they deserved, I blew up, started screaming because people do not understand that when we get overwhelmed the best way to deal with sensory-overlaod is IMMEDIATE REMOVAL from what is triggering our senses. I wish more people were understanding of what it's like to walk in our shoes. Does it bother you when someone continues to hit you and you ignore them and they still continue to hit you and what eventually happens, you lose your patience. People with autism have a lower threshold for sensory input. Please take this into consideration when dealing with the student's behavior.

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    Troy, I do understand what you are saying and yes in a work place I can see where they would get overloaded and I think it is up to their VAC coach or parent or whomever is in charge to make sure they are not put into an environment that is full of triggers. HE was not on a sensory overload, I have a quiet room within my room for those that cannot work or participate, if they feel the need they know they can go at anytime to the room and rest, listen to tapes or whatever they need to relax, he did not do this, he did not want to do his math work, he wanted to play games on the computer like another boy in my class and I told him he could only go after his 6 math questions were done and these were not math problems above him, we actually found they were below is level. He could have chosen to go to the quiet room and nd he does, quite often and he is not just autistic he has other disabilities and like I stated before I am following the procedures of what is written in his IEP, these are things he does quite often, I am not trying to reinvent the wheel with him, yes I have tried a few other tactics with him some have worked and some have failed, this was not a time I tried anything new with him, this is a time I used what the therapist had written to do in such an instance.
     
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    Just because someone has a disability doesn't mean that they can't make typical mistakes that any other child would make.
     
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    Upsadaisy, many students with disabilites are treated more harshly

    Giggles,

    I would suggest a visual choice board. I mean you could point to the chart and let him know "here are your good choices" finish the math work and then you get computer. Here are your "bad choices" ask to use restroom, yelling "no computer for the rest of the day." I have found making the student accountable for his/her own choices makes a difference. I've suggested the following website: http://www.redandgreenchoices.com. I would try this and if it doesn't help, then you've done what you're supposed to do. Some people with autism are more impulsive and anxious than others who are NT. I know how he feels, but I would not give in to him either. You did the right thing giggles. My parents hardly ever gave into my demands.

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    If he/she just went, I can understand not letting him/her go again, but for a child to have to hold it all day, is just being mean. Special or not, if a child needs to go to the restroom,they should go. I read some where that a teacher wouldn't let a child go to the restroom, the mother was so tried of the mistreatment of her child. She told the child, if the teacher won't let you go to the retroom, go right their where you stand. Well, from then on the teacher let the child go. It's a shame you have to let others see you go, but if it changes things for the child than good. I also read some where that a child had to lick a teachers toes. How sick is that.

    Please know I am not trying to give all teachers a bad name. I'm just telling about the bad ones.
     
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    You seem like a nice teacher to give this kids 4 times to go to the restroom. :)
     
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    YEs, I would never take away his right to go to the bathroom all together, this was not even on his schedule, yes even his bathroom breaks are put out on his schedule daily. Besides I don't want to have to clean up his mess because he certainly would not hold it if he was made to. I can't believe some teacher would make them lick their toes. Gross, I may seem strict, but I know what these kids are like I do not give into them testing me to see if they can walk all over me, I have already been able to loosen up some already this year because they knwo that Mrs. Shannon says no, in fact, the boy reference earned his right back this week to go to the bathroom unescorted again.
     
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    No, I don't believe in kids walking all over people (teachers), and I don't believe in punshing them by making them suffer holding their no. 1 or no. 2. I'm glad that you don't let your students go all day without going to the bathroom (good teacher there), but you said.. earning his right to go to the bathroom. Are these kids in prison or school?
    With all due respect, Giggles, and I am not trying to upset you, or get on your bad side, but ..
    I bet when you need to go to bathroom (really badly), you go (anytime). and don't have to earn a right to do so. Why should they? They may be special, but they are as human as you and I are. Sorry, but I am so tried of hearing about these kids being mistreated, just because they are not as smart as others, or have any kid of a problem, It's not right. I am tried of people referring to them as different. We are all different. If others have a right to be treated right with respect and dignity (and they do), so does these kids. I think the parents of these kids should get together and try to change things for these kids. Some of the things my firend's son went through shouldn't have happened. Kids having their detention in the bathrooms, to kids licking their teachers toes, is like treating them like dogs, not human beings, and taking away any dignity they may have. Now I know how the black people felt. I think these people should fight more for their rights like they did. After all, Rosa Parks paid for her ticket on that bus, she should have been able to sit where ever she wanted to. I'm proud of her for not moving out of her set. She (like the special ones) are human, God's children too, and just as important as the next guy, and should be treated that way.
     
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    I guess I should clarify their right to go to the bathroom, by that I meant they earned the right to go unescorted to the bathroom, the rest of the time either myself or the aid will escort them tot he bathroom instead of them going alone like other kids.Sorry for the confusion, like I said before I would NEVER deny them the right to go to the bathroom and when I removed one of his privilages I was following his IEP and BIP's It is actually written in them. I do not think of my students as being different I think Of my students as people, albeit they may be 19 but they have a mentality of a 6-9 year old, and sometimes 6 and 9 year olds may only go to the bathroom with an adult to walk them there because they goof off in the hallways and disturb other classes.

    I know you think I am wrong, but I was doing my job in following his IEP and BIP and he had just been 15 minutes before.
     
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    Ialso want to add that before you think I mistreat these kids by taking away natural rights,I do not. These kids have been in HS for 5 years, for 5 years the teacher before me deemed them unteachable and basically would turn on the TV and let them play with toys and baby sit them, even though they have tons of manipulatives in the class. Int he 3 shorts weeks I have been there I have written new IEP goals for those kids and have taught them about the State of TExas, First aid and how to apply bandaids and clean cuts, we have baked cookies, learned how to brush are teeth and shave the boys faces,done laundry and are working on stocking grocery shelves,and I have them working in the cafeteria an hour a day cleaning tables something the administration at my school has never seen and they are impressed, I am actually teaching my kids life skills. I have seen something inthem that the last teacher did not see and am treating them as pest people and not annoyances. I am sorry if you meant nothing by your posts, but I love my job and care deeply for each child and I would never do anything that might hurt them I just want to further their education so that maybe one day they can live semi independantly in a group home.
     
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    It's ok. Do as you see fit. Even if I don't agree on everthing, you are his teacher. As far as mentality goes. From what I heard from my friend on the teachers, asst teachers, asst principals her son had. I would say this boy of 19 acts better them them. They should have known better. I mean, an asst teacher playing "hide and go seek" with a students note book and the others what they did. It's a wonder if he learned anything at all. I would say he lost a few years of learning in middle school. So sad. :(
     
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    Oops ! It was asst principal that played hide and go seek, which sounds even worse. You would think they would do a better job, wouldn't you?
     
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    Wow ! My friend's son could have done a lot better if he had you for a teacher. Keep up the good work ! :)
     
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    Thank you Good 1 :) Sped teacher get alot of flack because, well, there are a lot of not so good SPed teachers out there. which makes when something like this happen the teacher gets blamed and not the student which is completely understandable. We have a State school by our house for MR adults that I so dearly wante dto go get a job at but when I went for an interview and a looksee I was appaled at the people they hired to teach. many with out degrees and many just looking to get a paycheck and benefits from the gov't untilt hey could find a school district that would pay for their emergency certifications, and it was appalling just ina 15 minute walk through the degredation I saw being pushed on these MR adults I cannot imagine what kind of teachers they would wind up being, maybe like the teacher your friends son had.
     
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    Life skills are fine, they should learn that, but about a decent job? Will any of them get to further their education after you? I guess college is out, huh? I feel for them. Life is hard anyway, and then not to be able to bring in decent amount of money to live on is awful. God bless them. It is nice to know there is some good people out there trying to help them.
     
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    Thank you for saying that. I'm sure my friend feels the same way about the people in school that she had to deal with. Meaning, just there for a paycheck. Once at an IEP meeting, this one lady was more worried about what day of the month it was than the IEP meeting. Yes, she found out that day happened to be payday. Boy ! It takes all kinds, doesn't it?
     
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    Good1 - it is hard for me to believe that an asst principal would play 'hide and seek' with a student's notebook or anything else. If he really did this :eek: he should be fired! But after teaching in the field of special ed for quite awhile, I have learned that students and even parents will do almost anything to make themselves look like a victim rather than deal with a problem. I take everything a parent/teacher/students says about past experiences with a grain of salt.

    I have had students tell their parents outrageous stories when they didn't get their way in a classroom situation. One of my students continues to manipulate the truth rather than admit that he doesn't want to do his work in class. Luckily, his mother is getting the idea that maybe her son is exagerating just a bit. :rolleyes:

    I have friends who have done the same thing. They don't want to admit that thier child may be at fault when there is a problem in school. Doesn't it seem at all strange to you that your friend's son is having so many problems in school? I raised a special needs child. He had lots of problems at school. Most of them were of his own doing. He was hyper and goofy. He wasn't a bad kid. He loved school and could read well. However, his goofiness and hyperactivity caused issues with students and teachers alike. I could have placed all the blame on the teachers, but it wouldn't have been very realistic. Instead, we worked together to help change my sons activity level and actions. :)
     
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    I second what Bjweyant says.

    BTW I went to the LEarning center on Friday that this student had been at, seems I was missing an integral page of his BIP, that said "removal of privilages is the best way to get child to respond positively. I.E. no after noon diet coke, removal of one bathroom break, charting in behavior chart, loss of VCR time."

    So it seems following my instincts worked and I did the right thing We are having a BIP ARD tomorrow to change some of these things, to remove some old behaviors he has gained control of and add some new behaviors.
     
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    Attacked

    As a parent of a violent child it worries me that he won't be able to stay in school when he attacks his teacher. He has seveal melt downs a week and he as well as other students in the class hit, bit, scratch, kick, punch, you name it they do it to the teachers. Do you have ED kids?
     
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    I have taught ED kids, but my class now is developmental, moderate mentally retarded kids.

    I have a question for you, when your child lashes out do they send him home or put him in Suspension? I found with ED kids they did that more because being removed from class was a reward for them, so we had to set limits if you id that you had to stay after school for detention and mom pick you up or have a lunch detentin for doing that. You might suggest that to your childs teacher.
     
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    I have had ED students almost every year since I started teaching. Most of them are able to function within the SDC classroom setting or the ED classroom setting. However, not all can. All students are supposed to get a Free and Appropriate Public Education. Some students just need a more restrictive environment than others.

    It is difficult for children to learn and for teachers to teach when they fear what a student might do. I had a student who would, without provocation, go into violent fits. On one of these occasions, he threw a large chair and hit me with it. On several previous occasions he had done similar things. He endangered the safety and well being of every student in that room. He was removed and never returned. In his case, the needs of the other students and the teachers became paramount. We had the right to feel safe at school.

    I can only imagine what it must feel like to be the parent of a child with violent tendencies. Please understand that ALL students have the right to learn. If one student interferes with the learning of everyone else and threatens the safety of others, it is only right that he be removed to a more restrictive environment where he/she can get an education without fear of hurting themselves or someone else. It does not relieve the district of the responsibility of providing an education.

    Something to think about. How long would your child, or any other child, receive an education if all the teachers quit? If my district had not protected me from further injury after the last incident, I would have quit. My classroom is not equipped to deal with violent children.

    I wish you and your child all the best. Know that we will keep you in prayer.
     

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