I thought there was a teacher shortage?

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  1. Chris Render

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    I have been to 4 interviews since getting my teaching license and finishing student teaching. Granted not all of these were my exact subject matter but most just required some sort of a teaching license.

    Any advice for a new teacher looking for his first teaching job?
     
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    Apply to your exact subject matter, and don't believe it when people tell you "any sort of a teaching license" will do. This is especially true since secondary schools teach by contents. I can teach any life sciences, but not physics. The state doesn't allow it. I would suggest researching the contents and requirements for your subject matter certificates, and then consider those when considering applications for employment. Another example would be if I wanted to teach elementary ed. when I have a Biology certificate. I would need to meet the requirements and pass the teacher exams before I could be hired as an elementary teacher. States generally lay out the requirements pretty well. If your transcript is approved to teach other contents, then you simply have to pass those other content teacher exams. Hope that helps.
     
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    It’s a myth. Only jobs that have shortages are in places no one wants to teach with specific certs that are rare.
     
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    What are you certified in? Some areas actually have a glut of certain certs. History, in particular, tends to be over-represented.
     
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    Just keep plugging away. Not to be discouraging but, at least in my neck of the woods, 4 interviews is not a lot. It might take some time, even in a shortage time if your particular interest is not in a shortage area.
     
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    Yup. Social Studies and English are gonna be really difficult to find jobs in. Math and Science should be considerably easier though it still depends where you are.
     
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    My advice would be to be a life long learner. Be open minded. Recognize that to be marketable, you need to be current, so if you graduated a month ago or 10 years ago, you need to continue to learn to be able to fully answer questions.

    Accept that you will get turned down but you only need one yes.

    Be clear on what is non-negotiable for you and what you are willing to bend on. (For example, don't apply to a job in a school that you don't actually want to work at).

    View each application and each interview as a learning opportunity.

    Focus on what is in your control. A lot of candidates complain that they think someone else had 'connections' or whatever. That won't help you.

    Apply. Interview. Grow. Repeat.

    If you are a strong candidate and use this formula, you will get a job eventually, even in a tough market.
     
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    Well, if you're qualified to teach high school English and have a desire to live in (very) rural eastern NC, let me know!
     
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  13. Chris Render

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    Career and Technical REPA 5-12 11/5/2017 11/5/2019 Original Yes IP
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    Business REPA 3 5-12 11/27/2017 11/5/2019 Addition Yes IP
     
  14. ready2learn

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    A teacher shortage, or the anticipation of a teacher shortage, is something that college's have been saying for a long time.

    If you are willing to move, South Carolina is planning on a teacher shortage this year. We have had a program called TERI in the state which allowed retired to teachers to continue working. They are ending that program, so there are several teachers that will be officially retired at the end of the year. I know my district is anticipating a big competition for qualified teachers.
     
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    My wife and kids will not move. I live in Indiana. I recently left the private sector and it seemed like every paper I picked up was saying there was a shortage in our state due to new teachers not being able to pass the tests. I took the tests and passed them quickly and went to a transition to teaching program. Just finished the student teaching and having a hard time finding a full time teaching position. I am currently subbing but you starve on sub pay and you have no benefits.
     
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    Some of the certs that you have can be "upgraded" if your transcripts are officially evaluated by the Indiana DOE. Through hours of experience and/or testing, you may be able to morph your certs to be more relevant to maths and engineering, which are, in fact, more in demand virtually everywhere. I came into teaching via AR, and I am a huge proponent of having your transcript(s) officially evaluated so that you know exactly where your strengths and weaknesses are. Couple that with the number of work/experience hours that you can truly document, and you can transform a cert that may be less marketable into truly useful and desirable content, making you much more attractive as a teaching candidate. With enough effort in following changes towards maths and sciences, you may be able to find a way to earn certs that would allow you to teach these subjects in middle school, and if your transcript supports it, you may be able to test into an elementary education cert, or even upper elem. ed. contents of science and/or math. If you can move into engineering, you may be able to teach robotics, and that is desirable in many high schools.

    In these situations, your certs are "something more", and you will have that proof in the form of brand new, shiny, useful, desirable certificates. It doesn't happen without some effort either through transcript evals, or more teacher cert testing, but it is highly preferable to wondering "why don't they want to hire me?' Just my thoughts on the subject. Best of luck.
     
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    I was not aware you could have transcripts evaluated. How do you go about having that done? I have considered taking the middle school science test. I believe I can pass the test. However, at some point, you start wondering if spending more money is the answer.
     
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    The state DOE needs to evaluate your transcript to make sure it meets their requirements. For example, in NJ to teach biology at the secondary level, you need a minimum of 30 credits in biological sciences, in a logical sequence, about 30-40 percent upper level courses. This is how NJ equates the knowledge to a major. However, if I only want to teach MS science, I only need 15 credits of science, no logical sequence, no upper level courses. So a person who took introductory courses in biology, chemistry, botany, physics, and earth science would be eligible to take the MS science exam, and if passed, be able to acquire that certificate, I just did a quick read on Indiana's website, and noticed multiple references to transcript evaluation. You need to get to know the licensing requirements. I know NJ requirements pretty well, and I have 7 or 8 certificates. Two of them required extra coursework/degree, but the rest were covered by existing coursework.

    The biggest question is what do you want to teach? What are you good at? Do you love the cert that you currently have, or did you settle for that? Only you can answer those questions. I won't lie, I test well, but along with that is I study hard for any test I take. I don't waste money taking the same exam over and over. I have also used a CLEP exam to make up for a course that my DOE didn't allow that was considered in the content on my transcript. Instead of taking a course, I took an inexpensive test for the required credit. If in doubt, call your DOE, but have concrete questions so that they can give you concrete answers.

    You are looking in the middle of the school year, so not ideal. The good news is that if a district needs someone for the rest of the year for a class, it gives you some advantage for full year jobs for the fall.

    Best of luck!
     
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    Yes, I love the subjects I tested in. That is why I took those tests and I knew I had enough credits to qualify for.

    The problem is love does not pay the bills. I am hoping that when schools start hiring for the fall I will have better luck.
     
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    I would agree with you except in the fields of SPED, Math, Foreign Language, and ESL. I see job postings all the time for those teaching positions and schools are begging people to apply.

    In CA, there are math teaching positions being offered everywhere. I could easily find another job if I wanted, but I love working at my current school. It’s absolutely perfect, IMO.
     
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    If you love your cert, that's awesome. Sometimes there are other things that tickle our fancy, things we may also be good in, or have an interest in. That certainly explains my number of certs. Some certs have related fields that may be more marketable, since trends change. If your transcript has been evaluated, and nothing has changed in terms of education, finding out whether or not you could test for MS science, or anything else, should be simple and not very expensive.
     
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    I don’t think they would do that in NY.
     
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    You say these things all the time about NY but never say what districts to check. They need to post whether their teachers are certified on the web. It’s an easy check.
     
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    You could always pull up the district, take a screen grab, and black out the district names and even teacher last names if you like. Otherwise, no need to keep saying it.
     
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    How can they force you to teach a subject you don’t have a certification in?! I mean, the certification tests are separated by language.

    Only in America.
     
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    In my district you can be asked to teach outside your content area. There are some limitations to that as far as how many classes can be assigned to you and for how long you are allowed to teach outside your content area. It's not super common, but I have seen it happen more than once.
     
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    Teacher or District please.
     
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    I think you’re in California right? Both large geographically and in difference in quality. Where does California rank again?

    I’m not saying it doesn’t happen in the history of the world. Last time leaborb said stuff like this, I looked it up and it was less than 1%. Much less if memory serves.
     
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    No, I'm not in California.
     
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    NY?
     
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    There was a teacher in my district teaching a very common language, who apparently barely spoke that language. It happens more than we would like to think.

    OP, it looks like your certs are in Business education -- is that correct? Sadly, at least where I am, Business classes are extremely rare. I would look to add another certification if possible in order to find a full-time position.
     
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    I teach HS math...the closest I've been asked to teach outside of my subject area is computer science. I am not sure what certifications are required for teaching computer science, but I'm guessing business ed would fall under that umbrella, but math works too (at least when they're desperate). I told my boss I wasn't comfortable enough with computer science to teach it, and she understood
     
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    There is no computer science cert in NJ. I think math cert is what most schools cover computer science with. Technology cert mentions nothing about qualifying you for computer science courses.
     
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    Yeah, we've had a cast of characters teaching computer science. Math teachers, biology teachers, and even the media center specialist have taught it---it seems to be a hard position to fill as all of those people have been reluctant to do it.
     
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    Anyone with a high school cert could technically teach it I suppose. If you aren’t required to hold a specific cert, that would mean you are just required to be certified to teach the grade level?
     

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