I quit teaching. Unsure to go back.

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  1. MrD

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    May 21, 2020 at 1:48 PM

    I formally left teaching in 2018 in Florida. I had a very rough class and didn't get an aid or support that I needed. My wife had the same thing the following year with her kindergarten class. I can confirm after subbing and meeting other subs who took over my class I found that the next teacher they hired quit as well. This class landed me in the ER and I had to quit.

    I subbed for a while and found that every school I went to the staff and admins were impressed with my ability to go into any classroom and my ability to be placed wherever needed. They actually called me on my cell phone and schools where I only subbed once called me to fill in a week slot. I was willing, able and they loved me coming in. I would have students who I subbed for only for twenty minutes come up to me and hug me or wave at me in the hall ways. It was rewarding but I needed something else.

    Needless to say I decided to take a printer sales job in North Carolina. I've been doing it for a few months now and really don't like it. It's constant calling prospects on the phone, manager badgering you, people hang up on you. Even my own customers don't want to attend a meeting with me. I'm the rookie at the bottom of the pole and am not fond of calling dozens of businesses each day. It's just getting busier and I'm expected to make more calls. I picked up my class photo and just stared at it. I'm quickly realizing I am not a salesman I am Mr.D.

    I'm thinking maybe I just gave up on teaching too soon. My second year was amazing! I convinced my students I was the best teacher in the world and they believed it. I got them all to dress up the same during our school photo and even made them their own tie die shirts for a parting gift. I would go back into it if the pay was better, I could get more support, and I could tackle a specials class like Art, Science, STEM or Tech.

    I appreciate your opinions and feedback. It would also be helpful to hear from any teachers who quit and went back into it.
     
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    May 21, 2020 at 1:54 PM

    I left a teaching job that was making me miserable and found one I liked far better. If I would’ve based my career decision on my first school, there was no way I would have continued with teaching. You could give it one more try if you’d like. You don’t have much to lose, other than potentially looking like a job hopper, but it doesn’t sound like you’ve jumped around too much.
     
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    May 21, 2020 at 2:02 PM

    Yeah. I think maybe because it didn’t work in my 2nd grade classroom at one school doesn’t mean it won’t as let’s say a PE teacher at another. There’s different avenues that I think I bundled into one.
     
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    May 21, 2020 at 2:06 PM

    I agree with Otterpop. A particular school can make or break you. I've almost left teaching more than once. I'm on my fourth district, fifth school, 10 years in, and I've finally found a place where I think I can stay until retirement. Before finding this school, my long-term future as a teacher was iffy. Look for a different school. Find one that aligns to your values and offers appropriate support.
     
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    May 21, 2020 at 2:13 PM

    I’ve only taught in two. One public, one charter. I just think I havent given it enough time. When I subbed we had an A rated school offer my wife a job. I could see which schools were good and which ones to stay away from. Things could be different for me as a specials teacher. I like the idea of having a rotation.
     
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    May 21, 2020 at 2:22 PM

    Keep in mind that finding a specialist job can be difficult. Most schools only have a small number of those positions. People tend to stay in those positions long term once they have them. And they often go to internal staff who started in the regular classroom and moved into the specialist role later in their career. I'm not saying that you shouldn't look for that type of position. Just keep your expectations realistic.
     
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    May 21, 2020 at 5:55 PM

    When it is the kids that are creating a lot of stress, I often suggest looking to do one of three things or a combination.
    Number one, switch grade levels. Certain ages of children produce more stress than other ages for many teachers.
    Number two is to consider switching schools. Some schools are worse than others when it comes to discipline.
    Number three, see what you can do about it. I know my first class was as rough as they come. If I was teacher of the year, I probably would have had a challenge with them. Still, it did force me to say to myself, "No way am I ever going to have a year like that again." For nearly 30 years of teaching, I haven't once had it that difficult again. I observed really good teachers, read books by Fred Jones (the best is Tools For Teaching) and it helped ways to make it less stressful. After that I have truly enjoyed nearly every year of teaching (although not each and every day). Good luck to you.
     
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    May 21, 2020 at 5:58 PM

    I think the OP is looking for a Specials job, not a Specialist job. They are hard to find, but my area always has specials teacher openings somewhere.
     
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    May 22, 2020 at 11:15 AM

    In my district, we refer to specials teachers as specialists. Regardless, I was referring to teachers who teach art, music, PE, etc. in my post. They are available, but not as often as a classroom teacher position. And they usually go to someone who has an "in" rather than a complete outsider, unless it's a hard to fill position.
     
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    May 22, 2020 at 11:50 AM

    Are you certified for these specials? Not trying to be a wet blanket, but where I'm at, you would need teaching certificates for PE, Art, Tech. Science and STEM, would be covered, of course in your elementary certificate, although here, if you wanted to teach those subjects above grade 5 you would either need a MS endorsement or a K-12 certificate in science. Whether you can get the certificates depends on your hours of education in the subjects (minimum of 15 for MS, 30 for K-12) and passing the required Praxis. I seem to remember that NC is very different in adding endorsements, but I don't remember exactly the details. Not trying to rain on your parade, but sharing how different and what steps may be necessary to do this where you are.
     
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    May 22, 2020 at 12:19 PM

    Ah. That makes sense. I thought you were referring to reading and math specialist positions.
     
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    May 22, 2020 at 1:09 PM

    I have my Professional, my K-6 Cert, and ESOL endorsement from Florida. All I would need in FL is to grab a test and earn another cert.
     
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    May 22, 2020 at 1:11 PM

    Does anybody know an exact reason why teaching certs are just transferable across the US? If I’m a nurse I just take the NCLEX once and I am good in all 50 states for home health, hospitals, ER, etc. Why isn’t that the same with us? This is part of the reason I quit teaching.
     
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    May 22, 2020 at 1:49 PM

    Money. Definitely money. No other good reason.

    Not only do you have to pay the license fees, you have to pay to take all the Praxis or other exams required.

    Although I do believe nurses are certified by states as well?
     
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    May 22, 2020 at 2:08 PM

    I don't know for sure. I do know that moving to some states doesn't require much extra work to get certified. Arizona use to be really easy...it probably still is as far as I know. There are a few states that require a lot for teachers coming from out of state, but I believe that is the exception to the rule.
     
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    May 22, 2020 at 2:58 PM

    Yup. I think that sums it up....unless you know, we got a movement going and had 100k teachers to shred their certs in defiance against the states.
     
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    May 22, 2020 at 4:24 PM

    Shredding it would not negate the records that the states have, so they could care less. In NJ, we don't even get paper certificates anymore - it's all online.

    OP, you mean you could teach PE without having PE credits in college? I can teach a lot of things, but each of those certificates is reliant on the state approving my transcript, to assure that I have the credits necessary to be qualified to teach the subject. I would no more think of teaching art, music, or PE than becoming a social worker overnight. Where is the knowledge that goes into teaching the content if you haven't taken the classes? Without the Praxis and other varieties of exams, how would districts know you had the requisite knowledge? I'm afraid that I support transcript reviews and exams, but do also support states fairly accepting those results in reciprocity.
     
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    May 22, 2020 at 5:30 PM

    Yes. I mean specials as in Art Music PE. I’m not certified in those. In FL the test requires k-12 knowledge for certification. Everything from primary colors to Noir Art painters.
     
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    May 22, 2020 at 5:56 PM

    Don't take this the wrong way, but I'm glad I didn't raise my son in Florida - he's a music teacher with a degree that took 160 credits and five years to earn. It would break my heart to think that he could have been taught in K-12 by someone who knows virtually nothing about music or even plays an instrument. May be good for you, but not for the students.
     
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    May 22, 2020 at 6:12 PM

    MrD,
    Individuals who are looking to become physical education teachers in Florida will need to have at least a bachelor's degree in physical education. A bachelor's degree and coursework in physical education totaling at least 30 semester hours can also qualify applicants for certification. If you choose the second option, at least 12 of your 30 semester hours need to be in instructional design and physical education. The remaining semester hours must cover such topics as motor development, kinesiology, applied exercise physiology, adaptive physical education, and coaching theory.
    Coursework typically must include:
    Administration of Physical Education
    • Theory and Practice in Coaching
    • Adaptive Physical Education/Physical Education for Exceptional Students
    • Kinesiology
    • Motor Development
    • Applied Exercise Physiology
    • Care and Prevention of Human Injuries
    Then you have the pass the three exams. Since your are already certified to teach elementary, you must have passed the two basic ones, but you will have to pass the PE one -- the Physical Education K-12 exam focuses on physical education teaching strategies and the role they play in child development. This is a 120-question multiple-choice test, and the passing score is 200.

    In Florida elementary school, all teachers now have to be certified in ESOL too, so if you don't have that, you have to get it in your first 5 years -- it requires 5 classes. Many districts will pay for these classes, but you still have to invest the time.

    I would like to add that all elementary students must take 150 minutes of PE per week, and these classes are very large. Dealing with the behaviors can be very difficult. And to save money, most schools hire only one PE teacher, and then two or three PE aides, who may or may not be as helpful as you think.

    It can be a great job, but the huge classes, and they fact that every student MUST participate (meaning you can't remove anyone from class because of behavior) can make it a pretty tough job. Also remember that to get this job, you will be competing against other candidates who actually have bachelor's degrees in PE.

    Best wishes in whatever you choose, but please make sure you go in with your eyes open.
     
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