I have an interview on Thursday.

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  1. MikeTeachesMath

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    Bros, you need to dust yourself off and take things into your own hands.

    You know it's serious when I find myself nodding in agreement at everything a2z has said here :lol: :)
     
  2. bros

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    I didn't think the cab fare would be that much.
     
  3. a2z

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    :lol:

    You know, Mike, although we rarely agree, I always want the best for you.
     
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    Bros, in your situation, you really need to do your homework first instead of last. Transportation being critical to working it should be the first thing you check before applying for a job.
     
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    Yeah, that's why I have my limited range of schools that I can apply to.
     
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    Bros, your reply doesn't make much sense to me in terms of the discussion. Am I missing something here?
     
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    1) Never turn down an interview. Ever. It's a one-time expense. A cab might not work every time, but it might work once. Here's the thing... schools REMEMBER. Administrators TALK. Instead of earning a reputation as a certified teacher who was willing to commute a long distance to interview for an aide position, and potentially open future doors, you will now be the teacher who decided he was too good for the position (even though that's obviously not what your real thoughts were).

    2) You seem to live in a fairly smallish town with incredibly competitive schools. You appear to be completely unwilling to consider the possibility of moving. You aren't even getting on sub lists on your area. I'm going to be blunt... not to insult you, not to be mean, but because you need to consider this: You could very well go the rest of your life without ever getting a job of any sort in these schools near you, and every day that goes by without you being involved in the education field is another day where you become less marketable. You need to think seriously about alternatives to teaching, if moving is truly not an option for you.
     
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    It was only slightly outside my range - I thought the cab fare wouldn't be that much.

    But once it reaches that area, the cab company apparently jacks up the rates.

    1. I know, I felt bad about turning it down too. I told them I had accepted a position in another district, but I thanked them for their consideration.

    2. I live in a town of around 15,000 with 3 schools that are for grades 1-4 and 2 schools that are grades 5-6. I cannot move because I do not have the life skills to live independently. I cannot prepare a meal or drive a car, and living off of delivery food would not be healthy. I've applied to sub lists for schools when they have postings up - but some of them are only looking for subs in certain areas i.e. one district posted a listing calling for subs today, but then in the job description, said only to apply if certified in Art, because they need art subs at the moment.
     
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    I think that it was a mistake to say that you have accepted another position. Not only is it untruthful, it has taken your name out of any possible consideration. The education world is very, very small; it could soon be well known, in other districts, including the one in your town, that you have accepted another position and are no longer interested in a position.

    Since education jobs are so limited where you are living, and living elsewhere doesn't seem to be possible/something you'd consider at this point, it seems to be time to open your eyes to other options.

    What about the suggestion to look into the possibility of finding someone who you could hire to drive for you?
     
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    You are limiting yourself, bros, more than your disabilities do
     
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    Well, bros. Did you call the state agency to find out if you would qualify for the program?
     
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    I always think of my grandfather when reading this thread. He had a favorite saying.

    "Poop or get off the pot."
     
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    My dad and my therapist said it was a good way to turn down the interview without having to get into my disabilities (the latter was my dad's input).

    I'd have a feeling if they talk to anyone - it'd just be private special ed schools in the area.

    How is limiting myself to applying to schools that are within a reasonable cab fare OR within a reasonable train ride limiting myself more than my disabilities do?

    I cannot move out of my parents house.

    Didn't have time today. Was dealing with issues with my dental insurance.
     
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    I think that czacza means that you need to stretch outside yourself (regardless of disabilities) and move on. I have to admit it sounds like you are afraid to move on.

    There have been great suggestions here that go beyond the classroom. You seem to be pushing suggestions aside without really looking into any of them. You also seem fixated about the cab rides. Please move on from what you can't do to what you can do. Find solutions not roadblocks!

    I doubt that you will see that.
     
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    Reminded of a quote by Randy Pausch:

    “The brick walls are there for a reason. The brick walls are not there to keep us out. The brick walls are there to give us a chance to show how badly we want something. Because the brick walls are there to stop the people who don’t want it badly enough. They’re there to stop the other people.”

    Make this your mantra.
     
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    Never responded to this - as said above, what can you do? Just list a couple dozen possibilities, from studying, to jobs, to everything in the middle.
     
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    bros, you mentioned at one point that there are buses from your town that go to NYC. How close is the city to you? Is it close enough that it would be feasible to commute? Or any other urban areas with good public transportation? (Apologies if you've answered this before.)
     
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    resignation letter

    I am quitting my job because I got offered a new job. I have to write a resignation letter. Any advice?
     
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    Transportation solutions include:
    1. Taking the train - A possibility, but a limited one. Not many stops on the nearest train line, but I have applied to schools along the train line that aren't an excessive distance away (Over 1.5 hours one way, or schools that would be difficult to get to or home from, as some have better schedules for me to get there/home in the morning/evening).
    2. County disability Transit - Cheap, I am registered with them, but they are not reliable. Also, they only operate in country from 9 AM to 2 PM daily. Trips must be reserved an hour an advance, and they do not pick anyone up within four hours of being dropped off, unless it is a doctor's appointment.

    I know. I have overcome many obstacles to get where I am today. No hurdle is insurmountable, regardless of level of disability.

    This is just a more difficult hurdle to overcome as it is one outside of what I am used to i.e. the structure of school/college/government institutions. So it is something I am trying to overcome that is outside of my realm of knowledge. That might not be the best way to describe it, as I have some knowledge as to the hiring process and those things - it is just the interviewing that trips me up.

    I am good with history - I enjoy French History (The French Revolution & Napoleon, so from 1785-1815 or thereabouts) and 19th century/early 20th century American History in particular.

    For jobs, I do not know what I would be good at as I have no experience with employment.

    I have knowledge of special education law, including Social Security, which could be applied through a few ways, including advocacy (which would most likely be a self-employment situation), representation (for SSI cases, which does not pay a lot - as it should be, as it would not be advantageous towards the disabled individual), legal research/paralegal, or what everyone thinks of in the legal profession: lawyer, but I do not have the people skills for that, and the job prospects are worse than teaching.

    The city, let's just say I want to arrive by 8 AM at New York Penn station - I would have to depart the train station around 6:30 AM to arrive at 7:50 AM.

    A bus trip on a private carrier would take about an hour - but the fare is more expensive than the train, even though they honor NJ Transit Reduced Fare passes.

    Why not just talk to your principal/supervisor? Although I would wait until you have signed a contract before quitting.
     
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    October 27, 2014



    To Whom It May Concern:
    I am writing to announce my resignation from xxxx, effective two weeks from today, Friday November 7, 2014.
    This was not an easy decision to make. I've enjoyed working for you and managing a very successful team dedicated to a quality education program
    Thank you for the opportunities for growth that you have provided me.
    I wish you and xxxx all the best. If I can be of any help during the transition, please don't hesitate to ask.
    Sincerely,
    Your Signature
     
  21. czacza

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    Bros, given that you might outlive your parents...then what? You need a vision of what your life will be...and it can't ff be a vision dependent on your parents...add this to your list of AtoZ assignments ,
     
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    Wait, wait, wait... you live within an hour and a half train ride of New York City? Then WHY are we having this conversation? START APPLYING TO NEW YORK CITY.

    Seriously. Like... tomorrow. Get their application filled out.

    Yes, the commute would stink. Consider it a good chance to get work done, or to listen to music, or read. I have an hour commute each way, and plenty of other people do, too.
     
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    I've had plenty of family members with hour and a half driving commutes in heavy traffic. It is common to have long commutes in many areas. At least with a train, it isn't stressful.
     
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    Exactly what I was thinking. Bros, this is your way in. You can do this!
     
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    I don't know. That is not a comfortable subject for me to occupy my mind with. Perhaps my brother would take care of me or I would have to hire an aide to assist me in daily activities that I cannot perform.

    I think the only place more difficult than NJ to get hired in is NYC.

    Anyway, from looking at their site, they don't want applicants at the moment unless you are math or science.
     
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    I commuted from PA to NYC for a year and a half. Door to door it took me 2 hours 5-10 min (car ride to Trenton, train to Newark, Path into NYC). It was a bit costly between monthly parking fee at train station, monthly train pass and then Path fee. My salary was $24,000 as an HR assistant. But instead of saying "Oh, it's too far of a commute, oh, my take home pay will be so small once I've paid for my commute, oh, it's so inconvenient and not worth it" I said "well, it's not ideal, but it's a job and I need a job." I eventually moved from PA to CA, left the NYC job due to the move and got a job as an HR manager at a small non-profit making about 40K. My experience at that entry level job is what gave me the opportunity for a better paying job and a reasonable commute (I think my commute in CA was about half an hour or so).

    At my first teaching job after my LTS job one person in my dept drove an hour and a half from NJ and another just as long from a part of PA many miles away. Not ideal for either (both had families with children in elementary or middle school so besides the tediousness of the drive, they had families to help take care of) but they did it because my district was the only place to offer them a job. The one with the long PA commute is still there 7 years later. He says he has gotten used to the commute and just deals with it. The NJ one added a Reading Specialist cert while working and eventually landed a job 30 min from her house.

    My point here is to give three examples of people working under less than ideal circumstances because those were the options available. None of us came up with reasons NOT to take the job, we dealt with the situation at hand and took the jobs that weren't ideal, but were what was offered to us.

    Since you live at home and currently can't contribute to the household costs beyond whatever pay you're getting for your disability, even if you make $4 an hour once you've paid for transportation, that's $4 an hour MORE than you're earning now. Then you can put that experience on a resume, get some more hands on work, become more familiar with the classroom, and in a nutshell make it a lot more likely that you'll get a better job in a few years.

    Keep seeking commuting options, and do explore the option suggested of hiring a driver. And definitely don't turn down an interview again. Just the experience of the interview itself is very helpful. My son joked with me just a few days ago saying "Hey mom, maybe you finally got a new job this year because having all those interviews during the other summers when you didn't get the job made you better at interviewing. Like you already knew what they would ask so you got really good at answering." My 14 year old make a good point. Keep it in mind if another interview offer comes along.
     
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    Even though the subject is not one you want to think about, you have to decide what you will need to do once your parents are NOT able to help you. This is where the adult has to come out bros and figure out what it is for YOUR life. If you can't do some things, then you have to figure out what you can do.

    On a realistic note, I have often thought that if you cannot take care of yourself, how do you think you would be able to take care of children? I'm not sure you realize that there is WAY more to being a teacher than just teaching. Way more!! I know you will respond that you realize that from student teaching, college classes, etc. Well, none of those are anywhere to what being in the classroom by yourself and the responsibility rides on YOU!

    I don't live in the area but it seems to me that NYC would also offer more in the way of jobs that might be what you are looking for besides teaching.
     
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    bros, I would really strongly suggest you start looking for jobs in NYC. Yes, the market is also tight there, but it's also much larger and with the help of public transportation, it would greatly expand your search area. If the public schools aren't currently taking applications, look into private schools as well as other jobs that would meet your skill set. There is no need at all for you to be limiting yourself so much when you live within a reasonable commute of a large urban area!
     
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    Bros, No one wants to think about our parents not being here, but, for most of us, it's a fact of life. If you can't do daily activities, how do you plan to help children? Simple things like tie a shoe or how to hold a pencil. Or zip a coat, or unzip the coat when the zipper get stuck? It should be a concern if you expect to be in a classroom alone with students.

    I hear from you about what you can't do. Let's flip this around and focus on what you can do.
     
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    NYC is the largest district in the country, and that's not taking into account the charter schools and private schools. You're currently sitting at home playing video games and watching movies. Find out what NYC charters are hiring right now. You owe it to yourself.
     
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    I can tie a shoe. My old special education teacher actually helped me with that when I observed her in 2009 - helping to make it so I could learn to tie student's shoes.

    I cannot hold a pencil (at least how people typically hold a pencil - I hold it between my ring and pinky fingers)

    I can zip a coat. I have a 50-50 chance of getting a zipper unstuck.

    Let's see what I need to get certified, first.

    http://www.highered.nysed.gov/tcert/certificate/rightpathway.html

    I'd assume I am #6 - certified teacher from other state

    Looks like they call elementary Childhood Education.

    I assume grade level would be childhood - Grades 1-6 and the title would be.... Students with Disabilities 1-6?

    I'm guessing initial certificate.

    Yeah that thing isn't of much use. I'm guessing I can just provide them with my certification then I get licensed, but I would have ot figure that out too. I know during student teaching the professors who taught the night class said the college teacher certification office helps graduates all the time with getting certified in other states.

    Yeah. I saw that site.

    (That second job is a 2.5 hour commute one way from my house)
     
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    http://www.highered.nysed.gov/tcert/certificate/teachrecother.html

    You'd have to pass the NYS state exams, get fingerprinted, and complete the workshops. You are right about the certifications you'd be looking for. The tests may have changed since I was certified, since I've been out of NYS for six years now, but when I got certified in 2008, I needed to pass...

    -LAST (a typical basic skills test)
    -ATS-W (A test of teaching skills... if I remember right, there were 50 multiple choice questions and an essay... and pounding your head on the keyboard enough times would more or less guarantee a passing score)
    -CST:Multi-Subject (essentially the same as the LAST, except with an essay asking you to analyze a running record)
    -CST:SWD (a test on special education knowledge... guessing you'd be fine with that one).

    You can take two of them in one day, and I'd expect some charters would hire you without actually having NYS endorsement in hand.
     
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    The nearest testing center is the CC I attended, then every other one is in NYC/Staten Island.

    that means I have to go through the fun of getting accommodations

    http://www.nystce.nesinc.com/NY17_altarrangements.asp
     
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    Do you realize what making a comment like this says to everyone who has been trying to help you but is frustrated with your excuses?
     
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    Another of those brick walls, bros. How much do you want a teaching job?
     
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    gr3teacher, NYS completely overhauled their certification system this year. Now you need:

    - Academic Literacy Skills Test (ALST)
    - (revised) Content Specialty Test (CST)
    - Educating All Students (EAS) Test
    - edTPA

    And for the disabilities certification you'd need to take the Students with Disabilities test as well.

    Plus the workshops, as you mentioned.
     
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    An additional state certification could make you more marketable, but this just seems like another excuse, bros.
     
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    Bros, my examples of being able to tie shoes, hold a pencil, zip a coat are just examples.

    If you really want a teaching job, or any job for that matter, you are going to have to find a way to jump the hurdles. All I'm hearing are the hurdles, whether it's a transportation issue, a certification issue, too long of a commute issue. Jump the hurdles and stop making excuses!
     
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    I am sorry for ever opening this thread.
     
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