I hate substitute teaching

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  1. hac711

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    I have been absent due to my crazy schedule. In the meantime, I have been working on my Master's and teaching as a substitute. Now, about that...
    My work life is the pits. I sub for a county that is divided between wannabe ghetto and country. In every SINGLE school I have been to, I have been treated as an idiot who is just there to take up space. I am not talked to as a human being. I get no respect from other teachers or administrators, not to mention students. Students, I can forgive (although their lack of manners and respect for adults leaves much to be desired) but as for adults... Here a few things that have happened to me:
    Room teachers who think I answer to them, and not my boss. They will demand I do things that go against what my administrator says I can do (like leaving kids alone in the room or going into a student's restroom with them...don't ask) and when I say that I will not be doing those things they get in my face in front of kids and say I have to listen to them (they quickly learn to get out of my face...)
    I get assigned all over the county, some places 2 hours away...sometimes there are things I cannot plan for, like a deer pile-up or a log truck rollover...the secretaries yell at me when I call and say I will be late...A little appreciation that I just don't turn around and go home. Yes, I understand you need a sub, but ladies, you have people to cover the class, such as three vice-principals and five secretaries...who is going to come and wash deer entrails from my undercarriage??
    Parents who barge in the room, guns blazing and start screaming...They don't even know I am not their child's regular teacher.
    Schools assume I just magically know their schedules and parking and reward systems. Umm, so far this year, I have been to 86 schools, each with there own unique way of doing things
    I get paid 12.49 an hour...enough said...
    I am more educated than most teachers there, but they talk to me like I have an IQ of 40. I have been educated at well-reknown schools, studied abroad and have two Bachelors, one in History and one Biology. I go in, and teachers have words misspelled on the board and in their lesson plans and simple math done incorrectly.
    I have had kids call me 'Slim', Ms. Cock, Fat A$$, spit on me and steal my lunch bag. I have had other teachers hit on me, call me Ms. Fancy when I tell them where I live after they ask or just say 'of course you do' like it is a crime.
    All this makes me hate everything. Why do I want to work with these people for kids who don't give a crap?? I have been teaching for over 10 years and looking at different jobs, but my resume is all education. I don't know if I am burnt out, or if I truly dislike the educational profession now. Sigh.
     
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  3. Caesar753

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    So stop subbing...?

    The situations you've described sound awful. I've never experienced anything even marginally as bad.

    In another thread you said that you don't appreciate other teachers trying to help you. I'm sure that your job in these places must be made more difficult when you refuse to accept assistance.
     
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    I certainly wouldn't be subbing in schools that treat me like this. When I was subbing I blocked a school from contacting me because everyone there was so disrespectful.
     
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    Life's too short to be doing work that you hate.

    Can you find some other type of job?
     
  6. StellatheSub

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    I can kind of relate, except I make around 9.00/hr. Secretary's talk down to me and expect me to sit in the office till right before the bell rings instead of getting me in to the classroom right away to read the lesson plans and be prepared. Sometimes I come in and go in the room and the teacher is writing the lesson plans right there in front of me. When they do that, I don't feel overly obligated to be a perfect substitute since it doesn't seem like they care if the day goes smoothe. If you're not prepared then why should I be? Aides yell at me for stupid things and speak down to me and sometimes they won't even look at me. Students sometimes say demeaning things like oh you're a suuuuuuuuuubbbbbbbbb. It's the way they say it. Well, with all that said, I like being a substitute. I like taking the class that thinks they're going to get away with murder for the day and wake them up big time. I had middle school boys sitting up straight and calling me Mam once. I love it when a challenging unruly class becomes engaged and learns something. Every once in a while I get my revege on the bitchy secretary I meet. Hee hee. I had a secretary who was very dismissive and rude to me a while ago and she said to someone "Oh the parapro is here." I said, "Don't refer to me as a parapro, I'm a certified teacher who is working as a parapro for the day." If she hadn't been so bitchy I wouldn't have said anything. When students are rude to me, I rock their world, and sometimes call their parents, which I know most subs won't do. I get a lot of hugs and students from 3 months ago will remember me and shout out to me on the playground or in the hall. Subbing is so hard, but you develop coping mechanisms. I play classical music when I sub, and it calms me down. I guess since I've never had my own classroom, I can't know if the grass is greener on the other side. I just know it's better than when I had the injection molding job in the factory.
     
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    Really?

    It is pretty unfair of you to assume that a teacher doesn't care if they come in to write a lesson plan on the morning of an absence. There are many reasons that this could happen, the biggest one being that the teacher didn't anticipate being absent. Illnesses that knock you down from out of nowhere, sick kids, funerals, and getting pulled from the classroom to do a last-minute training are all valid reasons that a teacher might be absent without notice.

    While most teachers do have emergency sub plans that can be used at any point throughout the year, they often prefer that the class continue with whatever subjects they're currently learning. That means making individualized sub plans, sometimes on the spot or on the morning of the absence. I would think that you as a sub would appreciate it when teacher goes out of her way to give you a set of useful, updated plans even when she is sick or planning a road trip for an unexpected funeral.

    If a sub ever presumed to know my intentions as a teacher based on when I wrote my sub plans, I'd be pretty unimpressed. And I very likely wouldn't ask that person to sub for me ever again.
     
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    :yeahthat:I agree. I live over 30 minutes away from my job, and I have went all the way to work while sick to get plans ready for a sub that morning.
     
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    I did the same thing just last week. I mean, which is better, plans made that morning or none at all?
     
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    When I subbed (or sometimes I'm pulled from my position to take over on emergencies), I have NEVER had a problem being in the room as the teacher was writing up there plans. In fact, I loved that they were there because it gave me a chance to talk to the teacher. I would ask them where things were at (supplies, books, worksheets) and important information (health, bus kids, procedures). Not once when I subbed did I ever assume the teacher was just too lazy to have written it up beforehand.

    AND, let's say you were subbing for a lazy teacher, why would you stoop to their level of professionalism?

    ETA: And yes, I do agree that subbing is VERY difficult. I don't deny that. But, you have to get a feel for the schools that are great to sub at and you have to sub at different districts. Then, once you realize which schools are worth it, sub only for them.

    ETA: I've had some great days subbing and some horrendous days subbing. I wouldn't say that subbing, as a whole, "sucked", though. It taught me a lot about being a strong, firm, confident educator... AND the ability to think on the spot.
     
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    No way around it, subbing sucks. You must understand that before starting. I would never sub in a bad district because if the regular teachers are having a hard time, you know they'll show no mercy to an outsider.

    I subbed one day at a low rent school. Kids abused me, so I told the school I wouldn't be back. Then I subbed at a better school and got better treatment.

    Treat yourself with respect. Get out of bad situations. Don't jeopardize your career being in a bad school with bad kids.

    Remember: subbing sucks.
     
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    I don't deny that it's a very difficult job, but it can be rewarding if you learn how to manage a new class on a day to day basis. My hubby has been subbing for five years. He has his great days and his bad days, but it's all about staying in control, i.e., it's all about classroom management; and feeling and looking confident.
     
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    So sorry subbing's been so awful for you. I've been a sub for quite a while throughout going to school & I've never had to go through what you go through. I'm never belittled or yelled at by anyone. I'm so glad the people in my district have some level of respect. I know subs are almost considered the lowest people on the district totem pole, but that still doesn't mean people should "spit on you" so to speak.

    I know it's easy for others to just say to quit, but if subbing's all you can do at the current time, then all you can do is make the best of it. Are there other districts you can sub for? Can you raise all this type of bad behavior towards you to your immediate boss? Is there any way you can kind of change your attitude & what I mean by that is walk in w/ a more authoritative air about you & when people start to belittle you, kindly, yet firmly say that just because you're a substitute, that doesn't give them the right to talk to you this way. I'm talking about when aides & others that aren't your boss are negative w/ you. You could even try saying this to a principal if they're disrespectful enough, but try to do it when there are other people in the room.

    In the meantime, is there any other type of non-teaching work you can be doing, such as clerical, etc.?

    One more point I'd like to say. If subs are treated like the dirt on one's shoe at your workplace, do they actually treat regular, permanent teachers any better? Are you sure you want to be a teacher for that employer?...If you're trying to be a teacher that is.

    Good luck!
     
  14. hac711

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    I am a very strong personality teacher, so to speak. Classroom management is a huge strong point for me. Like I said, it is usually not the kids, but the adults. And yes, subbing does stink. I have been on both sides of the fence, and it stinks to high heaven. One good thing about it is I get to see all the schools in the county and decide where I want to apply in the summer :). I can't really do anything else right now. The only perm. positions available for for cert. PE teachers, ESOL (I think they call them ELL now) assistants and so on. Other counties are an option but they are 2-3 hour drives, minimum. My pay is not worth the travel. It's sad really. The schools would be in such a pickle without a sub pool but yet, so many treat their subs like pariahs. We have taken the same classes, the same Praxis and so on, but some people don't see it that way. I am looking into museum work, as a researcher right now. But I am unsure whether I want to make a career switch, or stick it out. It is just so stressful. I appreciate the POSITIVE comments and support. Thanks.
     
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    I have great respect for my subs in general. What I find disrespectful is a sub acting like they know me or my intentions when they know neither.

    It's fine if you don't want to sub for me. I'm not worried.

    Edit: This post was in response to one that has since been deleted.
     
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    I've been on the other side of the fence too. I was a special ed teacher before & needed subs of course. I treated them respectfully, never presumed anything, & wrote out good, clear, noncomplicated lesson plans.
     
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    If you hate it that much, find something else. I subbed for a year, and I didn't have any of those experiences. I was treated well by the staff and students. The elementary schools were worse about letting me know things, but they still weren't rude. I think they just though I knew, but I have secondary certification and don't know much about elementary schools. I didn't sub elementary unless they were desperate for subs.

    I've gone in and written plans when I was sick or had an emergency. I figure the sub would prefer I do that than to leave them high and dry with nothing. I sure don't want to leave busy work. I want real work, as close as possible to what I would have done if I were there.
     
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    Charles County? Something about your description just screams "Waldorf" to me.

    Subbing is hard, no doubt. It's a different kind of hard from teaching a classroom every day, but definitely keeps you on your toes. Can you try to get jobs at different schools in the county, and kind of start with a clean slate?
     
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    smooth*

    You need to understand that when people get sick they are NOT anticipating for it! I've been sick a few times but tried to tough it out so I didn't call in sick the night before. It then would hit me like a ton of bricks so I had to call in in the morning. And oh yes, I had to drop my child off at daycare so I could concentrate on getting lesson plans done ASAP and yes a sub walked in while I was finalizing my plans. It wasn't because I didn't CARE it was because I DID CARE but had no choice as to when I could come in!

    Before I had my daughter, I came in once at 3:30 IN THE MORNING because I knew if I waited any longer I wouldn't be able to come in at all.

    So, unless you see the SAME teacher doing this every time you sub for them, I would suggest you stop making blanket statements. You just said you have never been on the other side of the fence....please stop making judgments like this. THANKS
     
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    If you walk into a subbing position every time
    - with a bone to pick about staff
    - a hammer to drop on students
    - a vengeful feeling because you haven't been hired and THESE people have

    you should consider another line of employment.

    I'm very protective of my students, I'm very proud of my school, I'm very good in my classroom ... I hope everyone in my school is there for the good of the students, that includes subs.
     
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    ANY job sucks if you only focus on the bad aspects and every job has some aspects that are bad.

    Subbing can be very challenging, but it can also be very rewarding. Personally, I loved meeting new groups of students and working in the different schools throughout the district. I also enjoyed being called by the same schools several times because I got to know some of their students very well and it was almost like being a regular teacher there.

    I subbed for two years in my district and worked in several of the schools, including several assignments at our "alternative" school. In that period, I've come across only ONE class that I ever considered refusing to work for again. It was a particular mix of students at the alternative school and was the only time in two years I felt completely DIS-respected by the students in the room.

    There was one other group of kids at a middle school that I found very challenging, but the regular teachers also found that particular group to be very difficult as well. They eventually broke the group up by putting two of the students in different classes and transferring the two worst offenders to the alternative school. Not surprisingly, one of the students from that middle school was also one of the students in the class I almost said "Never again" to.

    Despite those isolated incidents, though, my time as a sub was very exciting AND rewarding. It gave me a chance to develop my classroom personality, teaching style and hone my classroom management techniques. Yes, there were good days and bad days, but you know what, full time teachers with regular classes have good days and bad days too. At least when I was sub, I knew "bad days" were temporary because I might not be working with that particular group again. As a regular teacher, I have to put "bad days" behind me because I still have to deal with the same kids (and now their parents as well) every day until the end of the year.
     
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    Well said!
     
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    During my six years of subbing I think I only had one really bad day. I used each day as an opportunity to hone my own classroom management and figure out my preferred grade levels to become licensed in. Subbing was very enlightening.

    As for going to "bad schools", yes I did that, sometimes grudgingly. And I went back to the "tough" classes to sub again. I found that the more I was in that class, the better I knew the students, and the more fun and productive our days were. Students treated me better with each return as well. Don't give up on a "bad school."
     
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    Everyone's experience is unique and I only ever subbed in one district so I have no idea what it could be like in another. That being said, I was happy subbing. The only downside was that I spent most of my subbing days lamenting that the classes I was in were only very temporary assignments. The other teachers and staff could not have been more respectful. I felt very appreciated and welcomed. Sometimes I would have a challenging class (KINDERGARTEN!!) but since I mostly subbed in elementary, the kids automatically respected my authority as an adult and were obedient. And I would see kids in the hall from classes I'd subbed previously who would wave and say hi or run up an hug me.

    There are definitely downsides to subbing. I never knew if I was going to work or not from one day to the next. Some teachers would just "forget" to leave me lesson plans or leave me their plans which would say something like "introduce probability" or something equally as specific. And there were the tough classes like the ABA preschool where I would get spit on or punched or have to change diapers (eek!) And the money would never have been enough to live on even if I worked everyday - had my husband not been supporting us.

    I'm very happy to have my own class but I can't say subbing was bad. In some ways, I do miss it. At least if you have a bad day, you have the option of never seeing those students again!
     
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    Some posters here are blaming the OP for being treated in this way. But the OP doesn't seem to me that she goes in having a chip on her shoulder or starting right off having a negative attitude. It seems like she unfortunately happens to work for an employer whose schools don't appreciate subs & look down on them. I mean the ways the OP says she's treated sounds very horrible & she doesn't start this bad behavior. They seem to all be on their high horses and/or just have no respect. I don't think MOST other subs are treated that badly, including me. She seems to have just cause tor being discouraged & frustrated. I mean after being treated in this manner for so long, anyone would be frustrated.

    I assume she stays w/ subbing becase she's in grad school & for some reason can't work some other job at the moment. Not everyone can just jump up & quit.
     
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    When I read the original post, I got the feeling that the original poster had to be exaggerating. A lot. If things are that bad, any reasonable person would quit. I mean, no one at school has ever called me "Ms. Cock" or spit on me. If that happened to me on a regular and frequent basis, which is how the OP makes it sound, you can bet your patoot that I'd be out of there, even if it meant working at McDonalds.

    Based on this and lots of other posts by this poster, I also get the vibe that she doesn't "get it" about subbing. She said in her original post that she thinks that secretaries can cover classes when she's a no-show. They can't do that. It's illegal in most places, I'm certain of it. Surely if the sub fails to understand something like that, there are other things that she is also failing to understand. There is lots of further evidence of that in other posts, like where she threatens to hit students.

    I could certainly be wrong. I've been wrong before. I'm sure I'll be wrong again. Eh. About this? I think that the OP either a) is lying about all the bad things that are happening, or b) is leaving out some sort of pertinent information.
     
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    I wish I was exaggerating, but unfortunately I'm not. If you have never been to urban last chance schools then you cannot believe half the stuff that goes on. And yes I "get it" about subbing. And yes, secretaries and principals can stand in a classroom until I arrive. I am never a "no show" and have only been late due to situations beyond my control (this is with me always giving myself time to arrive 30 minutes early) I'm sorry if all this is beyond some people's comprehension. And to answer the question of why can't I just quit?? Well, let's see, oh yeah, I like to have a roof over my head, dinner once in awhile and stay in school. I am gald others have options to just quit their jobs, but it is not an option for me.
     
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    I work in an urban school. I am absolutely aware of the difficulties and challenges of working in an urban school. I've still never been called "Ms. Cock" or spit on.

    And no, secretaries can't stand in a classroom until the teacher arrives--at least not in my district, any district I've ever worked in, or any district I've ever heard of. There are legal issues involved in placing a large group of students under the control of someone who is unlicensed.
     
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    Isn't it interesting how everyone is jumping on StellatheSub for her little comment about last-minute prep by an absent teacher... and how defensive people seem to be getting about her comment (which was not directed at anyone on this board). Yet in another breath people are telling TS that she should drop any defensive attitude when it comes to her approach to her job (not coming to work with "a bone to pick").

    She's chosen education as her career path. Those who are telling her she should drop the vengeful tude and quit if she hates it: She wants to stay active in the field. Who knows... Subbing could be the only job available for her at this time.

    Also, the TS is relaying her negative experiences. I don't understand why people are trippin on her comment. If she was called Ms. Cock, why does it matter if "it's never happened to me (...oh, she must be making it up)". What does it matter if you also work in an urban school and that's never happened to you? SHE'S SAYING IT'S HAPPENED TO HER. And she's upset, so much so that she's fed up (enough to create a thread on it)... and rather than commiserate and offer words of encouragement or useful dialogue, people here want to tell her she must be dreaming cuz "it's never happened to me... and I work at an urban school." :huh:

    I'll tell you this: the subbing experience, for a qualified teacher like a lot of us are... is going to naturally build frustration, misunderstanding, and resentment... And you will (as the sub) often be offended by people's conduct toward you. It doesn't mean that you are unfit for the teaching profession and that you need to quit. It doesn't mean you are some hateful person. And it certainly doesn't make you any less of a person or teacher.

    I feel you, TS and all the other subs out there, unable to find work and having to sub. Subbing is a thankless job... and this post actually highlights that pretty well.
     
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    It sounds like you need to sit back and reflect on the pros and cons of a career in education. Your story sounds horrible! In fact, it sounds like a nightmare. Life's too short to be in a career that you don't enjoy.
     
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    I assume this is directed towards me.

    I didn't say "it's never happened to me...and I work at an urban school so I know everything about everything." I said that it hasn't happened to me, to which the OP responded with something along the lines of, "You don't know how bad an urban school can be." (I'm certain that those weren't her exact words, but that's what I got from her response.) My response was then, "I work at an urban school," as in, "Yes, I do know how bad it can be at an urban school, and while I see plenty of bad stuff, I don't see tons and tons and tons of terrible things happening to one person over and over and over again." That seems bizarre.

    Of course I am not saying that it couldn't possibly have happened to her since it has never happened to me. What I was trying to communicate to the OP was that those things are outside my experience and observation and, frankly, my imagination.

    I also didn't say that she was dreaming. I said that it seemed to me that she was exaggerating or that there was more to the story. Neither of those beliefs constitutes "trippin".

    Perhaps my feelings seem harsh. The thing is that I've read many, many posts by this poster, and all of them have a negative tone and describe lots of conflict and escalation. It seems to me that if these things are really happening to her, and I still find that questionable, she must be playing some part in escalating events that they get to that point. I highly doubt that she enters a room and people call her Ms. Cock and spit on her out of the blue. What is more likely is that she is engaging in arguments and power struggles with students, threatening to hit them, etc.

    As for the other poster who commented about feeling no obligation to do a good job subbing for a teacher who wrote plans at the last minute....I don't feel like my posts were defensive, nor were anyone else's. I was offering a reasonable explanation for why a teacher may write plans at the last minute as well as a caveat to the substitute to adjust her attitude and opinions on that issue if she wants to continue working as a sub because teachers don't want subs who don't know what they're talking about.
     
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    Hac, you say that you get assinged around the county. Can you talk to the person who assigns you and narrow the districts that you work at down to the schools you feel more comforatble subbing at? For example, when I first started subbing years ago, I subbed everywehre. Then, when I had to sub for about a month (temporarily), I rememeberd which schools were worth subbing at and which were not and I asked to only sub at certain schools. They didn't mind that at all. Is that something you could do?

    Obviously, in this economy, getting another job is impossible (ETA: Okay, not impossible, but hard). My hubby is going to begin student teaching and he will need to find an after school job during this time (since he won't be able to sub anymore) and I'm terrified about this since, well, they are very few out there (especially in our area).

    Last, if I were you, I would start to read up on classroom management techniques. I would begin reading books such as Love and Logic, Tools for Teaching, and perhaps First Days of Teaching. There are also websites about subbing out there on the net.

    My hubby subs (been there forever) at one of those alternative schools (think, drop outs, gangs, juvies, etc). I also subbed there. Wow! Talk about tough situations. I remember I was fresh out of college, a teeny tiny thing. Oh, and I look VERY young for my age. I'm sure back then I looked like I was still in middle school. YET, I was able to manage the classes. (I was SCARED to death), but I did it. Wasn't easy, but I stood firm and had a no nonsense attitude.
     
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    There is a lot in the thread I would like to comment on, but the subjects are too varied and I'm afraid my responses would be too jumbled, so I'll try to just summarize my general thoughts.

    Job prospects - It IS difficult, but NOT impossible to find a job in this economy. It might very well mean accepting a job you don't like or that doesn't pay as well as you want, but ANY money helps pay the bills. I took a part-time job as a hotel desk clerk before being offered a teaching position. I figured that, along with subbing assignments, would give me enough money to get by (barely). Now that I have a teaching position, I decided to stay at the hotel for the extra money and discounts I can get at sister-hotels if I need to travel. I don't travel very often, but that is a nice side benefit when I do. Still, it wears me out. I often work 7 days a week and a full day off is a rare thing, but after going two years without a steady paycheck, I appreciate ALL the work I can get.

    Hating the job - I can certainly understand why the OP would hate being treated the way (s)he describes in the first post and I am especially appalled that principals and secretaries could have such demeaning and condescending attitudes towards subs. I DO find it hard to believe that EVERY principal and secretary in the district has this attitude, especially in urban schools, because most schools sincerely appreciate subs that will show up consistently. But, I don't work in the same district, so I can't say it isn't happening just because my experience has been different. I agree with others that - if the treatment is THAT bad - I would be looking for other sources of income, but I would also be the first to say that, UNTIL you find a different job, it would be best to keep the ANY employment you can find. The job market may not be impossible, but it IS very difficult and it could take a long time to find another job that will pay all your bills. In the meantime, you may just have to grit your teeth and bear it until something better comes along.
     
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    Thank you John Lee! I appreciate your supportive comments. I do also want to say that I can relate to both the negative and positive aspects of subbing. I did say positive things about subbing in my first post, but no one seemed to note the positive things I was saying about subbing. I also stated in my first post that I didn't feel the need to be "perfect", but I did not mean that to say that I would do a crappy job. I am a very hands on sub who likes to be prepared by showing up early, locating materials, and planning on the best way to teach the material. I have good classroom management and I have to say I'm memorable, because I have students that call out my name, just as of recently, from rembering me, from one day only, from 3 months prior. I also always leave a detailed note and the room clean and ready to go for the next day.
     
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    Yes, Stella... I just know the plight of being a sub teacher especially if you're also a qualified classroom teacher. It's an exercise in humility, that's for sure. And it very often feels like a thankless job... and I don't want you to think that you are wrong for saying what you said or anything.
     
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    My two cents about respect and sub teachers. My first year of teaching was as a 1/2 time teacher. I felt that some full time teachers did not respect me. After I went full time one of the teachers told me "there is a natural resentment!" .... Well, in my school I know first hand the things that are said about subs, and most of it isn't positive. (It's not about an individual sub..but simply any sub) I don't know why that is..it shouldn't be. Of course not every teacher feels this way. Enough do though and I find it troubling. So to all subs out there thanks for doing what you do and stepping up to the plate to take care of the kids. Please remember (as I had to when I was 1/2 time...the important thing is the kiddo)I love teaching warts and all:)
     
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    I don't get it either. Do many teachers think that just because someone's a sub that they aren't smart enough to be an actual teacher, so that makes them 3rd class citizens or something? Who knows & who cares. Any teacher who gets into a conversation w/ me soon finds out that I may have a higher education than them...not to be pompous, but I'm just saying that I have no idea why they're on their high horses.
     
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    I have been subbing on and off for over five years. I would not recommend this position unless you are desperate for work. The actual job can be rewarding but you get beaten up a lot by some administrators. If you get any complaints at all, you are blocked by that particular school. Three blocks, which can be false accusations you are fired, for lack of more euphemistic word. I was falsely accused of not taking attendance during s fire drill. You have no meeting and students can also lie about you in the West Chester area school district and you are done. This can make any teacher vulnerable who is not in a union. For these reasons, I would say don't put yourselves in harm's way. I am sad that I was ultimately fired due to frivolous complaints mixed in with false accusations. Also, in PA you are an employee at will and you cannot Sue.
     
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    I feel for the OP. The level of respect varies wildly from one district to another. I'm not a huge fan of subbing myself, but for a completely different reason.

    Good luck in your future.
     
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    I empathize with everyone on here. I am so down on this position that I lost. My home is now in a preforeclosure status due to some students who lied to the regular teacher and said I left the room for 15 minutes when I just stepped out for a few minutes to return a file. These were emotional support students who acted like inmates in the classroom. Of course they wanted to get the sub in trouble. This is so unfair. I have a Bachelor's degree and a master's and cannot believe the utter disrespect from administrators who don't care about the teacher at all. Of course I am white and an older female so I have all odds against me. Don't teach in the West Chester area school district in PA. You will ultimate lose your home and your self esteem. Meanwhile the superintendent makes 225k.
     
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    Wow, you ought to just find another job. Yours sounds horrible.

    My experience subbing is totally different. Oh, some of the problems you mention are the same. I mostly think the students, at a certain grade level, and ability level are just plain rude. And some are on a path that I fear will lead to trouble.

    But I love the job, love most of the kids, like all the schools I cover (elementary and middle schools. I have not subbed at the high school in a while)

    Most of the staff members, teachers, admninistrators and support staff, always seem glad to see me show up, and I have even had some really nice compliments. One principal says it's always nice when I am the sub for a class.

    Several of the teachers regard me as a preferred sub and request me if I am available.

    I only began subbing after retiring from accounting! If I had known how much I love teaching the kids I would have made it my career.

    Another thing I love is when I see "my" kids at the mall, the grocery or even at a yard sale at their house and they run up to me and give me a hug!

    I would not want to do anything else! And the pay ain't all that bad for a retiree!
     

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