How should I handle this professionally?

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  1. MsManda3

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    Major help needed!

    I took over a 1st grade class in December. I student taught 2 yrs ago in that grade level so the p and ap felt confident I would do a good job.

    This week I have been miserable. One day this week I was getting kids to computers to work on a computer literacy game but we were having computer issues so I shuffled them around to working computers in our area. Because of this, I was late starting my instruction. The ap came in and said in front of my kids, "Explain to me why it's after 9 and you haven't started teaching yet?" I'm sure my face was red. Our announcements last til close to 9 and I was shuffling kids around during announcements. (The game is mandatory for my 9am group).

    Then today, she came in to my room and went through my things on my desk looking for graded stuff as I was trying to transition my kids from math to packing up. She also badmouthed my team.

    I was at a loss for words. HELP! I want to talk to my p about this professionally. I felt like couldn't do my job and, stupidly, wanted to cry at the end of the day. I. Feel I work so hard but the ap thinks I can't do my job.
     
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  3. mopar

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    First, I would sit down with my union representative about this if you have one.

    Then, yes, do sit down with your principal. Ask him/her what they think about the job you are doing and for suggestions for improve. Then talk with them about how the ap is making you feel and what you are noticing.

    You may want to also ask the other teachers in your school if they notice something similar?
     
  4. EMonkey

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    You might ask the union rep or another teacher you trust if you don't have a union rep to go with you and respectfully express how much you appreciate the "rude admins" opinion; however you are finding it difficult to think through her excellent recommendations when they are presented to you in front of the children. You might then ask if she would write down her wonderful ideas and/or needs and give the written version to you so you can really work on her suggestions or if she could meet with you after the observation during prep after school or during recess which ever works for her.
     
  5. Lynnnn725

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    Just wondering - when you say
    talk to your union rep," are you meaning the rep that is on your campus? And then what will the union rep do? Just wondering for myself...
     
  6. John Lee

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    No, I wouldn't do that. This P may think you don't know what you are doing... why would you want to validate that by asking for suggestions? (Not saying at all that people shouldn't ALWAYS, be it a 1st year or 30-year teacher, be open to suggestions. Just saying you don't want to make it look like you need help TO THIS PERSON.)

    Also: why would you involve a union rep? Not attacking that P.o.V... just wondering what the reason for doing that, just because the P made a comment about your teaching?

    I think I just ask the P to talk for a second, explain the situation that occurred and that it was bothering you, assure them that you are doing your best, with a positive attitude, etc. And if he still doesn't like you, ____ it... what can you do.
     
  7. mopar

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    The union representative is always a great place to begin when something is bothering you or seems strange. I think that often times they can let you know it is nothing, or if it is something, they can often lead you in the right direction about handling any situation. The union representatives in my building often have been teaching a long time and are very professional, so they have been there and done that.

    Second, asking for the principal's opinion on improvements doesn't mean that you are letting them know you don't know what you are doing. It merely is showing the principal you are open to suggestions, even those shared by the assistant principal in inappropriate ways.

    Do you know which person (the P or AP) are actually responsible for your evaluation? We also get told at the beginning of the year who our primary evaluator is....
     
  8. DrivingPigeon

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    So did you take the class over as the new full-time teacher, or are you a sub?
     
  9. mopar

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    Subs usually are not part of the union....
     
  10. skittleroo

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    and not all states have unions ;0(
     
  11. KinderCowgirl

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    Honestly, if you just started a month ago, I'm not sure I would do anything yet. That's how some admins assert their power. If this is an actual position, it will be the P who does your evaluations, yes? What the AP thinks might not factor into anything. I would document for myself, that I could defend my actions if it was brought up to me. But at this point going to anyone else and "complaining" about it (that's how it would sound) might not look very good.

    My AP doesn't really like my teaching style and thinks my room always looks disorganized. I know she doesn't like me, but it really doesn't matter because the P does. What I'm trying to say is, we all have days like your computer incident. Just keep trying to do your best and be on your toes when she comes in. But I wouldn't take it any further, yet.
     
  12. YoungTeacherGuy

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    In nearly six years of teaching, I've never had an administrator come into my classroom and say much of anything (I usually just get a big smile, a thumbs up, or she normally quietly walks out after a couple minutes of observing). What your AP did was HIGHLY unprofessional and quite disturbing!

    I would absolutely speak with your (site) union rep!!! He/she will either help you out or connect you with someone who can assist you with this matter!

    Best wishes, MsManda3!!!
     
  13. skittleroo

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    I think if you've only been there for a month - talking to anyone but the principal/assistant principal is asking for trouble. Go to them with your concern and see if there is something that they feel is wrong that you aren't picking up on.

    I'm just always a "to the point of the problem" kind of person. Let them know if there is something specific you could fix then your all ears......
     
  14. UVAgrl928

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    I agree. I don't have any advice to offer, since I am lucky to have fantastic admins, but I just wanted to give you some hugs! :hugs:

    If my P or AP had an issue with anything I was doing, I know that they would say something... however, it would NEVER be in front of the students. I can't even imagine.
     
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    I think being new it is good to seek out a union rep or teacher that you trust to ask if this is common place. Maybe it is something that the AP does to all new teachers, maybe it is just how the AP deals with all teachers, maybe it is something that the other teachers are aware of and dealing with.
     
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    Email. With someone to proofread it to make sure you are remaining calm and professional. If you know an experienced teacher get some tips from her as she might know some district's dirty secrets. I would not talk to anyone I couldn't trust 100%.

    It doesn't matter if you have been there 1 second, you should still be treated as a competent professional and respected as a human being.

    Now when my principal did come into my room several times and criticized me in front of the kids I was quite humble and said nothing in my defense. So looking back that made me seem like I had no backbone and made her seemed justified in her criticisms because I didn't defend or explain what was going on. Being new (and overwhelmed to where you can't always think on your feet), you just don't know about how to handle these things.

    But on that day when she took it to an extreme of what people called HARASSMENT in front of my students you bet I stood up to her in the most professional and assertive way that I ever could. Not a word was said that she could ever use against me. And I would do the same thing again no matter who came into my room.

    I actually turned the entire fiasco into a "teachable moment" for my students to show them how I want them to behave and how they can remain composed, calm, and respectful in hostile situations. :cool:

    Stand up for yourself because you will quickly be seen as having no backbone and it may escalate. Going on the advice a veteran teacher gave me, "Respect my position just as you request that I respect yours."

    Also, if a P or AP etc starts taking it too far in front of your students you should say 'let's step into the hallway as I prefer not to discuss this matter in front of the classroom.' That's the only thing I would do differently next time.
     
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    Great words of advice!
     
  18. KinderCowgirl

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    I guess I'm just less sensitive. All the AP asked was why she hadn't started instruction. I think that's a valid question if you are scheduled to start at a specific time. And the explanation about the computers should have sufficed. The AP was badmouthing her team-if she goes over heads about this, it will come off as tattling. There are places where this is rampant and you just have to get used to it.

    If you are new to a work environment, I think it's better to see what the culture is like first. As others have said, maybe this is how she is with everyone. If you ruffle feathers over little things, I also think you seem easily rattled, which a teacher shouldn't be. Some schools want to make sure new teachers are on track.

    I actually don't like to use e-mail in situations like this. What if the P just forwards it to the AP?
     
  19. MsManda3

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    Sorry I'm so late responding.

    I'm a long-term substitute. The p is the one evaluating me.

    I talked to the P the next Monday after and she assured me that I'm doing great. The ap was frazzled because it was a crazy week and things seem ok with her now. The instructional specialist? Not so much. I also gave the permanent teacher's gradebook to the IS and now it's missing. I'm freaking out about that.
     
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    Awww. Glad you got things figured out. Hope you find that grade book soon!
     
  21. MsManda3

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    I didn't mention specifics, but just asked if I was doing things correctly. I think the problem is communication. I was finding things out last minute or not at all. Since speaking to the p, I'm now up to date. I really want to get a job at the school and I feel I pour my heart out and work hard. I've been getting notes in my box at school saying good things about how I teach and so forth so hopefully I'll get good recommendations or hired there.
     
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    I hope so too! Last I saw it was in the IS box but she said she gave it back. The permanent teacher hardly used it, but I would like to have it back and know where it is! I may just buy her a new one.
     

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