How many admin?

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  1. YoungTeacherGuy

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    In 2015-2016, all K-5 sites within my district will be moving to K-6. Middle schools will be 7-8 instead of 6-8.

    We will keep the same number of admin at the elementary and middle schools. I'm a little envious of the middle schools, though, because they'll maintain the status quo of having 1 P and 2 VPs. At the elementary level, we'll have extra students, but continue having 1 P and 1 VP.

    I'm anxious to see how (or if) my duties will change since we'll be adding another grade-level. I'm sure I'll be dealing with more discipline issues!
     
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  3. monsieurteacher

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    It all depends on population here...

    Both my current schools have 1.6 or 1.4 Admin (one full time principal and a teaching VP) Other schools have a 0.4 admin (teaching principal). High schools are larger and often have a principal and 2-4 VPs.
     
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    we have about 300-400 students in my building with one full time P.
     
  5. FarFromHome

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    My new district only has one principal at each elementary school-no VPs. The elementary schools are all K-4. My last school had one Principal and 2 VPs, but then we also had 1,000 students.
     
  6. Missy

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    Our elementaries have one P, the middle schools have one P and one has 3 asst P's and the other has 1 asst (much smaller school). Our HS has 1 P and 4 asst P's.
     
  7. waterfall

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    My district added 6th grade back to the elementary schools two years ago. Same situation- we didn't get any more resources on any level (except for the actual 6th grade classroom teachers, of course) from the middle school even though they were losing 1/3 of their population and we gained 100+ students! It's been horrible for us. For starters, the elementary buildings didn't even have the physical space for a whole other grade level. We're the biggest school, so we have more than others, but still basically all the specialists have to share a room with someone else. I'll have two teachers and full time para in mine next year. At one of the other elementary schools, they literally have a sped teacher, an SLP, a school psych, a title teacher, and an OT in ONE room. They basically put their desks in there and have to see kids in the hallways.

    On top of that, the student behavior is horrible. They do not belong in elementary school anymore at that age! I think my admins spent at least 1/3 of their time dealing with 6th grade, and it was much more serious issues than they were used to dealing with at the elementary level. Their teachers were also bitter that they got shuffled back to elementary school, and were extremely hard to work with. They still see themselves as middle school teachers and refuse to participate in anything that seems "elementary."

    We have the same number of admins in middle and elementary, but the middle school has far more office staff (secretaries, attendance people, etc.) and more specialists, for a smaller number of students!

    Our sped director (who was on the team that made this decision, apparently) actually apologized at a staff meeting the other day for not realizing the HUGE hardship that putting 6th back in elementary would put on everyone.
     
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    My school has a principal, assistant principal, behavior specialist, and instructional coach.
     
  9. Go Blue!

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    All ELEM/MS schools (K-5 or K-8) only have 1 P and 1 AP officially.
     
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    K-6 is such a wide range of ages! In my district we have K-4, and it's tough to plan school-wide functions that all students will enjoy. All elementary schools have 1 principal, regardless of size. One school has around 300 students, but mine has around 550. I don't really think this is fair...My principal is so busy that we rarely see her.

    I'm not sure about administration at the intermediate school (5-6), middle school (7-8), or high school.
     
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    Here it depends on the population of students. My school is large, we tend to have 700-800 eleqm students. So we have 1P and 2AP. The school I taught at previously was much smaller and we only had 1P, and no AP.
     
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    3 assistant principals and one principal.
    We have 1,300 students in grades 9-12.
     
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    Are you just interested in admin numbers for elementary schools?

    At the school I attended as a child, we had one principal, no APs.

    I don't know how the elementary schools work in the district I work in. The high schools have tons of admins: usually one principal, three or four APs, and two or three deans.
     
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    650 students, Junior Kindergarten to Grade 8. This year, we have one principal and one half-time vice-principal. We were hoping the VP would be full-time with us (he's VP at another school as well) by Christmas, but that didn't happen. Hopefully it will for next year; it's too big a school for just 1.5 administrators, particularly when they are as hands-on as ours are.
     
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    My school is PreK-8th, with 1,400 students.

    We have one Principal and 3 AP's.
     
  16. giraffe326

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    Here, APs are very, very rare in the elementary level. Even in larger buildings. The school I attended serves over 600 students and it has never had an AP. My current school is K-6 and there is no AP.

    In NC, all elementary schools in my county had an AP. Even the tiny ones.
     
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    How many students for 1 AP? We have roughly 750 students, 1 P, 3 AP for a PreK-5 school.
     
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    At my current district, elementary is PK-3 with 1 P and 1 AP, intermediate is 4-6 with 1 P and 1 AP, junior high (7-8) has 1 P and 1 AP, and high school (9-10) has 1 P and 3 APs.
     
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    At my old school we had about 500 students and had both an P and an AP. It was a pre-k-5. The school I'm at now is pre-k-3 we have about 520 students and have just a principal. Our counselor sorta of acts like as an AP in some instances. She sometimes deals with behaviors and bad choices but mainly it's the principal that does it all.
     
  20. waterfall

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    Same here. We have 550 students at my school. One of the other elementary schools only has around 200 students, and the others all have around 300-350, yet we have the same amount of resources.
     
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    In the school district I attended/student taught in:
    PreK & K, 1-4, and 5-6 schools - 1 P
    7-8 (MS) - 1 P
    9-12 (HS) - 1 P, 1-2 VPs
     
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    The elem school my daughters attended had 900 students with one P and one asst P, but that school was the greatest. It helped that, with few exceptions, there was a very strong teaching staff.
     
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    In my state it doesn't matter. My current school has almost 900 students and we have 1 P and 1 VP. My old school had about 300 students and we had 1 P and 1 VP. The only thing they do take into account is if the school is really, really, small and rapidly losing enrollment, then sometimes they get rid of the VP.

    I feel like we need more admin considering the size of our school. Instead, you get non-admins (like our instructional specialists) acting as admins
     
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    We have 1,900 students in 6-12. 1 P, 3 APs, 2 deans.
     
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    At my 6-12, non-religious private school with 1200 students we have a President, Principal (me), a VP for Academics, a VP for Guidance, a VP of Student Life and Activities, a VP for Admissions, and three deans.

    Keep in mind though at my school all administrators and guidance counselors teach at least 2 course per day and have a strong background as teachers. We spread out our teaching schedules so we aren't all teaching at the same time or to avoid peak times. For instance, nearly all my meetings and obligations seem to fall during the first or last period. I, therefore, do not teach then. Conversely, our Deans like to supervise lunches so we make sure not to schedule them during lunch block so they can attend all student lunches.
     
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    We have 700 kids, K-6. 1 P, 1 AP. Some larger schools have two APs, some have none.
     
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    We have 800 kids, K-2. 1 P, 1 AP, 1 admin whose job is specifically behavior support. (I can't remember her exact title - it's a new position beginning next year - we have a lot of severe behaviors, so it was necessary.)

    My new school has about 350 kids, K-5. Just 1 P.

    YTG, why are they changing to K-6? I student taught in two different K-6 schools, and at one I student taught 6th grade. I tend to like the K-5, 6-8 split MUCH better. K-6 schools are pretty uncommon in NorCal/Central Valley aren't they? I always thought they were more common in SoCal, and even here they aren't that common. Will 6th be self contained or departmentalized?
     
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    I am honestly not sure why my district is making this huge change. What I do know, however, is that most (if not all) 6th grade teachers have transferred to other positions within the district because they don't want to move down to elementary in '15-'16.
     
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    Wow, YTG! What a huge change. I was also curious as to why they made this decision. I'm thinking back to when I taught at some of the schools in your district and I can't imagine where they are going to create more classrooms for the 6th graders.

    Well, besides teaching in your district, I also taught in the nearby one where we did have k-6 in our elementary school. We only had one principal. I think it's definitely doable. I think for you guys, it'll just be a huge adjustments, it'll probably be a rocky start, and then things will fall into place.

    Not surprised to hear about the 6th grade teachers moving to new positions- I'm sure many of them are frightened of the idea of teaching at an elementary level. I bet many who do move may be surprised to find how much they enjoy teaching multiple subjects!! :)

    Oh, now that I think of it, CAN those teachers who are currently teaching 6th grade in the junior high level be able to teach at an elementary level with their current credential? Or will they need to apply for a multiple subject one?
     
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    The junior high I'll be teaching at this fall has 1450 students with 1 principal and 3 AP's.
     
  31. yellowdaisies

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    I wondered this too! If it's self contained 6th grade I guess some of the middle school teachers with only single subject credentials couldn't teach it?

    What an interesting situation.

    I can see why a middle school teacher wouldn't want to come down to elementary. I'll be teaching 5th this year, and if they somehow decided to move it to the middle school, I would be jumping ship as well.
     
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    The ones who have a single subject credential have all moved to 7th/8th grade already.

    Our 6th grade teachers for 2014-2015 are all credentialed for multiple subjects. Most are new teachers (since all former 6th grade teachers jumped ship).
     
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    Wow that's a huge change. My district has always been k-6, 7-8, and 9-12. My school has two SDC Pre-k classes and two Head Start classes so I guess we are Pre-k -6th. None of our elementary schools have VP. We used to for the larger schools, but they completely got rid of that position a few years ago due to budget issues.

    Good luck with the changes, I'm sure it will be interesting. I wonder how the kids feel about it.
     
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    We are K-6 in one building and 7-12 in the other. I like the set-up a lot. I actually really like having the junior high in our building. It gives me a different picture as a teacher. It also gives us more flexibility since many of our teachers are certified 7-12.
     
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    750 students -1P and1AP
     
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    Our school is K-5 and about 450 students. We have 1 P and a dean of students (disciplinarian).
     

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