How do these teachers go unpunished?

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  1. Cerek

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    Very well. Let's say you (or other teachers) have left worksheets, review, vocabulary lists, or other work the students can complete on their own.

    I'm assuming your reaction to the sub looking at Facebook during this time would be to inform the regular teacher - and perhaps the P - that it might be best if a different sub is called next time.

    Ah, but that's the biggest problem I see with these responses; how many people actually spend 30 seconds or less checking messages, Facebook, AtoZ or any other sites?

    You can check your text messages fairly quickly, but then you see one (or more) you feel needs a response, so you spend a few more "seconds" texting a reply. Then you may find another one that needs an answer, etc. Then you might decide to check FB, see a couple of cute pics you want to "Like" and maybe a post by a friend You want to post a quick comment about.

    These activities may not take very long individually, but the amount of time adds up in a hurry when you combine them and I wouldn't be surprised if people spend a lot more time on these things than they realize.
     
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    I said up to a couple minutes which I feel is a pretty reasonable estimate for those quickly checking on something. This is different from browsing, as I also said, as browsing is much more leisurely and time-consuming. Checking messages or FB can be done in seconds. A to Z, for me at least, is not a stand up by your desk and check quickly sort of thing. I like to sit and casually go through the various threads and posts and this would fall into the category of "mentally checking out" I mentioned previously which I find inappropriate.

    To be clear, I'm not advocating the use of social media or messaging at one's job. I'm simply elaborating on my stance that a very occasional quick look isn't the end of the world to me. It's comparable to chatting for a few seconds outside your door with a fellow teacher about their weekend when the bell sounded moments earlier. It's all good. :)
     
  3. hbcaligirl1985

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    While I obvs don't agree with it...there are worse things a teacher can do. Perhaps I am the one over reacting as the OP...
     
  4. missapril81

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    We have all those sites banned. Our county has also implemented where they can track any computer in the county and what time you were on those sites. As a teacher in a classroom of 24, I barely have time to check my email or test scores (I do some texting on computer. So it really depends on the county and their policies, although I could not imagine any county wanting their employees on FB during the time they are working with students.
     
  5. Sarge

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    Good heavens. People are that into Facebook that they can't just check for the big red number at the top and get on with their lives?

    I must be some sort of Facebook weirdo. (ok, that sounded sort of bad, but you know what I mean.)

    I HAVE most of the social networking gadgets that everyone else has and then some. I'm a on a lot of forums besides this one. I'm a member of about a dozen or so very active Facebook groups. I have more than the average number of Facebook "friends" for somebody my age.

    But if it's on Facebook, and not directly related to me or my life, I quickly scroll past it. If I'm feeling particularly witty, and doing nothing important, I might post a comment. Otherwise, I can pretty much do everything I need to do on Facebook in less than 30 seconds.
     
  6. czacza

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    I'm not quite sure why responding to a 'cute pic' is pressing during contracted work hours...

    If there's a text that needs IMMEDIATE response, (and I'm imagining something very urgent), I'd ask a nearby teacher to keep an eye on my class for a moment while I stepped out.
     
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    I'll reply to a quick text message during class. I also kept an eye on my personal e-mail while I was in the middle of trying to move forward on buying a house. I teach HS so my kids are fully capable of working on an assignment without me hovering over them the whole time. I usually only check texts when they're reading independently and never while they're testing.
     
  8. greendream

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    I think teachers are paid to teach, not to play on the internet.

    (Submitted during 2nd period while students are diligently working.)
     
  9. Cerek

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    It isn't. But I imagine many more people do it than admit to it, or if they admit to it, they insist it only takes "a couple of seconds". My guess - though - is that if those teachers who do check texts or FB or emails or anything else during class time (or even "free" time) used a stopwatch (or app on their phone) to measure the amount of actual time spent on these activities, they may be surprised just how fast those "couple of seconds" add up.

    I know, for myself, there have been many times when I might be getting ready to leave for work or run some errands and think "Well, I've got 10 minutes, I'll just do a "quick check" on Facebook or A-to-Z, then I find something that catches my interest and decide to post a comment, then I want to see if anything else was posted while I was making my post, etc. Next thing I know, I've spent almost 15 minutes instead of 5 or 10.

    This is one reason I do NOT check these things during school time, because I know how easily I can lose track of time when I'm just "making a quick post" or sending a quick reply to an email or text.

    Maybe others truly do spend less than 2 minutes doing these things, but I have my doubts.

    While I try to avoid answering the phone or texts during class, there have been times when I've gotten a call or text requesting I sub the next day or some other time for a different teacher. Since it IS work and I would very likely lose that assignment if I DON'T respond, I will sometimes try to send a quick text reply back, if possible.

    If I'm busy with the students, though, I simply ignore the call or text until I have time to check it between classes.

    There will always be exceptions, of course, but I remind the kids that parents and family were able to get emergency messages to them through the school BEFORE cell phones came along, so they don't HAVE to have the phone on them at all times......and the vast majority of calls or texts they get (even from parents) are NOT emergencies.
     
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    Hmmmmm........in the early 2000s, we had a principal running a real estate business out of his office during school hours. Another one was on a dating site, making a profile for himself, during school hours. The other day, a secretary in the main office kept me waiting for a class coverage assignment while she finished a story on the phone (obviously talking to a friend) about a repairman doing some unsatisfactory work at her house.

    I have hall duty at the moment.

    Seems to me that it's become quite the contemporary/acceptable thing for people to do things for themselves during their work time.
     
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    I never use my cell phone during the day, no text messages or phone calls. I do carry it in my pocket to check the time since I don't have a clock in my room.

    But I do come on sites quite often. Some days, I have a LOT of free time. For instance, on Wednesday I have 12:05-3:00 without any classes. When I'm done with my work, grading, planning, etc, what do you want me to do? Sit around and look pretty? Normally I'm taking care of my business, visa stuff, bank stuff, etc. But when I'm done with all that I come on for leisure. I'm not hurting anyone so I don't think there's anything wrong with that.
     
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    I tried that once, but I was told that I don't have the legs to pull it off.


    :lol:
     
  13. czacza

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    Yup...just because others do it makes it ok...:rolleyes:
     
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    I'm a first year teacher and I admit I will check my university email (I've transitioned from graduate certificate to MAT) to see if assignments have been graded. I'm also 22 weeks pregnant and will check things like babyzone, yahoo answers, baby center if I have a question like "why haven't I felt fetal movement all day" kind of thing. I teach in an alternative classroom and have only 6 students, who are all spread out and I watch them like a total hawk--and can still check various things on the internet from time to time. I can also sit at my desk and look over other assignments or email a parent something pressing or check my bank account on payday while they are working independently. I don't go on facebook or anything like that, but I have gone onto this website on occasion.

    The best way to approach it for me would be "Would I mind Mrs. Gaskins, my son's Kindergarten teacher, paying her car payment during AR time?" No, I wouldn't care. Teachers are grown ups and should be reasonably good judges at when their eyes can be on the computer screen for a few minutes and when their eyes need to be glued to the kids.

    One guy in a neighboring district just got suspended for looking at porn during teaching his classes, what an idiot!
     
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    I personally do not find it appropriate to be on FB during the school day. Imhave checked A to Z in the morning before school but I think that is it. During school hours I am completely focused on my job and social media can wait. I am glad that at my school has those kind of sites blocked during the day. It makes it impossible for teachersbto spend their work hours on those sites.
     
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    It's along the lines of, "If I'm surrounded by liars, I'm not going to be the only one in the room telling the truth, that's for darn sure."


    :cool:
     
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    It's funny - at home, I would never spend less than 2 minutes checking Facebook. At school (recess and lunch only, as I've stated before), I really do spend less than 2 minutes. I've got too much else to get done! I just like to take a moment to decompress and see what my friends are up to, I guess.
     
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    I don't understand that one either.
     
  19. hbcaligirl1985

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    Question 1: Why was that not blocked? I tried to access a news story that went directly with what the students were learning from CNN.com and it was blocked--how the hell was a porn site accessible?

    Question 2: Why is that not IMMEDIATE grounds for termination?
     
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    There are a LOT of dishonest people every where you look, and we all know that.:(
    A LOT of people who don't seem to have a sense of how important their jobs are and have rules to follow, take it for granted that they can do whatever they want to do. IT will come back and bite them in the a$$. It always does, and the sooner people come to their senses and GET WITH IT, the better it would be for their own good.:angel:
    I have learned to just let them be, and God has a way of shining the light into their lives.
    Every dog has its day!
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    If I check my work e-mail once throughout the day I am doing really well. Perhaps I don't manage my day well enough, but I am too busy teaching for social media. Even during recess while my kids are outside I am working to get ready for the next learning block. Hat's off to those who have found 'free time' during the day!
     
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    Exellent.........so let us review. If you are using FB at work you are dancing with the devil (see my previous fb comments). If you are "playing" on the internet you are a slacker wasting Tax Payer's money, if you are checking texts you are may be getting "complacent".
    Anyway you look at it we have found the enemy and he/she is us:dizzy: EXCEPT for those saints among us;)
     
  23. Reality Check

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    :yeahthat:

    Bravo, "stephenpe!"
     
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    I agree wholeheartedly with StephenPE! :clap:

    That's why I freely admitted that I surf the web during my lunch/recess time. If I want to send a few texts, too, then sobeit.

    When I'm with the kids, though, they do get my full attention.
     
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    Same here. I barely have time to go to the bathroom (many days I don't) let alone chat on social media.
     
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