Has anyone applied for specific posting then found out in interview it's different?!

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  1. pommom

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    Applied for co teach ela, found out in interview that it's co teach science too.
    I wouldn't have applied if I knew this. I know nothing about science.
    Anyways, I know I didn't get the job; I bombed it.
    It was the first interview I have been to where the principal wasn't there. I did see her walking around to her office while I was waiting. It made me think that they selected their candidate earlier that day already because mine was in the afternoon.
     
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    Yes! One time I went to interview for a HS math position, which was a good 2 hour drive away too, and when I got there, I learned it was for teaching computer science (which is taught through the math department). I would never have gone in for that, and straight-up told the principal I wouldn't be able to teach that. He said I was the third person that day to tell him that----so he was wasting his own time too!
     
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    This is absolutely ridiculous and you should have been rightly outraged. That principal is very unprofessional for doing that. A 2-hour drive?! That means you wasted at least four hours of your time plus gas. I would have told off that principal.
     
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    It's happened to me more times than I can count. I've had an awful lot of jobs listed as full time that turn out to be part time, quite a few listed as one school that turn out to be multiple buildings (deal-breaker for me since I don't drive), and I think the winner was the one that posted as full time elementary (k-6) and turned out to be very part time and either PK-2 or junior high that also wanted me to work frequent weekends with no stipend.
     
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    I think sometimes, the admin staff throws out a line, and hopes to get anyone who nibbles. The original job is filled, and they don't take down the posting. They have another job, but don't want to take the time and $ to put out a new listing! o_O

    IMO, they keep the old posting, thinking they are getting a 2-for-one deal. You think you need this job, and maybe they will promote you when something opens up. That simply means that will pay you to be an lunch aide, but they know you are certified and...they will ask you to sub and hope you forget to ask for the sub rate on those days.

    You will be the full time, floating sub basically. It's cheaper than the regular position, and sometimes - no benefits!
     
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    I wouldn’t recommend telling off the other principal. A) It was probably HR who posted it that way, not the principal. B) He may have a job for you in the future that you just blew your chances of getting by telling him off.
     
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    One time I went in for an interview for a full-time high school ELA position. It turned into a part-time reading specialist position. I don't have a reading specialist endorsement. Part of me wanted to get up, tell the interviewer that I was sorry he wasted my time, and leave. It wouldn't have burned any bridges since I have avoided that school since then.
     
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    Yes, having a sped license this has happened to me several times. My very first interview right out of college was 3.5 hours away, so 7 hours round trip. It was posted as a mild/moderate sped position. When I arrived, the first question they asked me was if I would be comfortable in a severe needs setting for students with emotional disturbances- 6 students and 4 adults. I said I was confused because I'd applied for a mild/moderate posting, and they said, "Oh, we filled that yesterday, but we figured we'd bring all of the mild/moderate people in anyway because there is a loophole in the state licenses where you can teach both." That very same day, I had a phone interview from an out of state district, and the first question they asked me was if I'd be interested in teaching EBD (emotional behavior disorders).

    I've also been called in for postings that were full time but ended up really being .5. Now I always make sure to verify the position when called for an interview, but even that doesn't always work. Last time I was interviewing, I interviewed for a gen ed position. They called me and told me I'd "come in 2nd place" for that one, so they couldn't offer that, but would I be interested in teaching in their emotional disabilities unit? I wonder if I would have really "come in 2nd" had I not had the sped license and they thought they could get me to work in their EBD unit.
     
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    See, that’s what I said. Bait and switch.
     
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    It’s a small, small world in education. You never know when you’ll see these people again.

    One of my professors was a P and she hand picked me to be a student teacher in her school! Wrong on sooo many levels and not allowed in my state. It ended badly when I wouldn’t be her free sub. :confused:(She knew I had my sub cert.)

    Turns out she was also a member of a major sorority where my daughter applied for a scholarship. My daughter made the final round. When I showed up at the ceremony, this woman made a face at me! Next thing I know my daughter was pulled out the competition over some made-up technicality!
     
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    Wouldn’t it take a few minutes for the principal to send an email saying, “Oh, by the way, you will also have to teach a computer science class.” That would have saved the four-hour trip.
     
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    Probably. But that probably wasn’t allowed by HR. In my district, HR arranges the interviews, not the principals.

    And, even so, I still wouldn’t tell off the principal.
     
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    Yeah it seems sped positions are always the most vague. The posting just says the school location and the following words "sped teacher". Seriously sped teacher can mean a variety of positions! Usually I will ask what type if they call me for interview.
    The interview I had Friday, I didn't specify on the phone because it clearly said co-teach Eng. Then I find out it's co-teach science and not Co teach English at all. It was resource Eng. I withdrew application when I got home.
     
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    If it concerns the exact job description, then the applicant needs to be notified about everything up front. It is unethical, not to mention unfair, for hiring staff to not indicate the duties someone will have to take on when being interviewed. When I was hired at my current school, I was told I would have to be in charge of two school clubs, I would have to do carpool, and additional adjunct duties in addition to just teaching. Everything was specified beforehand and reiterated by the administrators on site verbally and in writing. Even before my interview, it was clearly specified in the job posting online. I don’t understand why that is so intricate for some people — those people being hiring staff.
     
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    I think there are a lot of unknowns as to the specifics of a position in many teaching jobs. Sometimes administrators know more than a posting lets on, but, other times, they don’t. I agree that they should notify candidates of those specifics whenever possible, but I understand that they don’t always know when they are conducting interviews. Sometimes, a lot of things are still up in the air. And, again, I would never want to sour a relationship over it. I may be fuming on the inside, but I’d keep my cool and be polite so as to maintain a good relationship should a future position come open.
     
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    Yes, I applied for an ELA position and at the interview was told that it was partly Sped. Just because they saw Sped on my resume they assumed they could interview me for a different position that I applied for (without telling me when calling for the interview).
     
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    Normally, I would agree, but a four-hour trip plus traveling costs is ridiculous and unnecessary. I would have gone off if I knew I would never work in that district again.
     
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    90% of the time it's the principal's secretary calling to schedule interviews, not HR. Admin put up a posting and put the bare minimum. They figure that putting too much info about the posting can hurt their chances of people applying.
     
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    That’s not how it works in my area, but I understand every district is different.
     
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    I agree that it’s a long trip, but the distance a candidate is willing to travel for an interview is on the candidate, not the district. Regardless, I still wouldn’t tell anyone off. What’s the purpose in that? If the goal is to get them to change their ways and inform candidates in the future, I think that can be done calmly. If the purpose is to express your anger, that just seems unprofessional. You never know who knows someone else, even four hours away. I wouldn’t want to earn a reputation as someone with uncontrollable anger.
     
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    What’s also unprofessional is not giving applicants detailed information so they waste a considerable amount of time when they could have spent said time applying elsewhere. It goes both ways.
     
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    Between the two of yall....
    "Telling off people" will not benefit you.
    However, I would and do address the concern that the posting stated something differently (in a nonconfrontational way). Time is wasted on both ends. It could have easily been solved by adding in a few words to the job posting.
     
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    Here it is the principal who pulls applications and calls to schedule interviews.
     
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    My very first job was a bit of a surprise.

    The assistant superintendent (who was also the sub coordinator) called to tell me that the high school had a position open for an English teacher, and he knew I would be interested since my certification is secondary English and I had done two long-term subbing jobs there the previous year. I interviewed and got the position. When I went in to talk to the principal, he told me that I should go talk to the middle school principal, too, since my position included teaching a class of 7th grade reading and health as well. The schools were about three miles apart, and I had no idea I was even certified to teach middle school, much less health. I also didn't have my own room at either school.

    However, I did it. And I learned that middle school kids weren't the horrible people everyone always said they were, and the staff was way more welcoming than the high school. Who knew? The following year, I returned to the middle school, not the nigh school. That was 24 years ago!

    You don't always get the job you want or expect right away, but it can lead to the very job you never knew you wanted.
     
  27. Master Pre-K

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    It’s too much like right.

    If every administrator would tell you everything that was part of the job, you probably wouldn’t take it. That’s why so many job postings end with the line: “Other duties as assigned.”

    And...”Subject to change without notice.”

    Just a regular thing in Head Start. o_O
     
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    I am talking about the main deal here. What subject am I teaching? This needs to be specified in job posting, very important. The lunch duty and other assignments like that is not part of the discussion.
     
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    What they did to you was totally inappropriate. Why is so hard for them to let everyone know up front? It’s not rocket science.
     
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    I assume that by co-teach, you mean it's a sped position. Sped positions are nearly always subject to change, even after you are hired and have worked there for some time. Sped positions are totally dependent upon the needs of the students, and teachers' caseloads will change from year to year. Because your students change, the content you teach changes. Don't ever accept a sped position and expect it to stay the same year after year after year. Hopefully, it will be similar from one year to next, but, over time, it will probably change significantly.

    In this situation, I would imagine that they initially thought they only needed a co-teach for ELA courses and, then, after looking at the students' IEPs and the teacher and school schedules, they must have realized that the same person doing ELA would also have to co-teach some science. That's truly not unusual. Honestly, even if they tell you right now that it's ELA and science, there is a good likelihood that it will change before the school year begins or during the year anyway. I really don't think this is something to be so upset over, but I guess that's because I've never worked in a school where the grade-level/content assignment didn't change over the course of time, sometimes unexpectedly. It's the norm everywhere where I've worked.
     
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    That's the norm here as well. I know that I can be asked to teach anything within my certification. Although there aren't typically major changes from one year to the next, changes of a grade level or two aren't uncommon. We all know our "tentative" assignments for next year, but also know that it may change based on numbers of students at each grade level.
     
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    Yes, I hear you.

    It’s unfortunate that you wasted time & gas. I would be upset too. Just saying how some people don’t feel job candidates deserve honest information.
     
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    I am only certified to teach sped and English. I wouldnt know how to teach math or science.
     
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    Just like I wouldn’t know how to teach English or SPED. My specialties are math and science.
     
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    It seems that some admin. believe all teachers should know how to teach everything! :confused:

    I am certified to teach Pre-K thru 3rd Gr. And I have recieved calls about 5th grade and 8th grade openings!! Someone is passing my resume around. They aren’t reading it, they just want interviews and bodies.
     
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    Exactly.
     
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    Maybe it’s different where you are, so I can only speak from experience where I’m at...

    Here, a sped teacher isn’t expected to be a content area expert. The sped teacher is the expert in how students learn, particularly those with special needs. The purpose of co-teaching is that the two teachers collaborate to, together, meet the students’ needs. The gen was teacher is the content area expert, and the sped teacher is the learning style/modifications/accommodation expert.

    No one would expect you to know how to teach any given content area alone as the sped teacher. Sure, you couldn’t teach math or science as a gen ed teacher without this certifications, but you could teach ELA as the gen ed teacher, since you are certified. However, as a sped co-teacher, none of that matters. You aren’t fulfilling the role of content expert. As I said before, your students and caseload, as a sped teacher, will change from year to year. This might mean you are in different content area classes from year to year. You are still serving the role as the learning specialist no matter which content area class you are co-teaching.
     
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    The difference, though, is that she does know how to teach sped, and the position was for sped. It wasn’t a gen ed science position. The position was for a special education co-teacher who will co-teach ELA and science. If she has a sped certification, she is legally qualified to (and, theoretically, capable of) co-teach in that position - again, at least in my state.
     
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    Just because I am sped qualified doesn't mean I am confident and feel able to be an effective teacher with teaching anything related to sped including subjects. Kids would expect me to know the science content because I am a teacher in the classroom. I would be expected to teach to general ed kids too even though I am responsible for the sped kids.

    Anyways, you disagree with me. It's more than okay. Moving on....
     
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    I’ve interviewed and was hired on the spot for a job in the Pre-K 3-5yr old class. When I returned on my first day, the secretary put me in the 2yr old rm, and said wait here.

    That was all day.

    I came out a few times and was told to go back and wait. I knew they had federal reviewers in the building.

    I was a ghost employee. They needed my certificate for their teacher!

    When I came back the next day, they turned me around saying my ‘paperwork didn’t go through and they will call me.’

    They didn’t call. I complained to the Dept of Labor and they had them give me 2 days pay.
     
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    I get it. And, I'm not disagreeing with your feeling that you lack the confidence. I'm in a similar boat - qualified for high school sped, middle school social studies, kindergarten, and even Pre-K. From a legal standpoint, I can teach any of those positions. I hold the state certifications. I don't feel that I have the knowledge or experience for any of them, though. I'm comfortable in elementary grades 1-5, sped or gen ed. However, if my administrators choose, on any given year, they could move me to something else. I once got hired for third grade, then moved to kindergarten, then moved back to third - all in one week, right before the school year began. It was awful, but it did work out for me.

    So, again, I'm not disagreeing with how you feel, per se. I'm just saying that I understand why administrators often cannot be super explicit about the content that a teacher, especially a sped teacher, will be responsible for teaching. It changes too frequently. They don't generally mean to deceive a candidate. It's just the nature of the public education.
     

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