Grammar Fight

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  1. cutNglue

    cutNglue Magnifico

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    My husband and I are having a disagreement about the grammar of a particular title.

    "Preservation of the Sign Language" or "Preservation of Sign Language"

    English can be used without the word Language but Sign Language includes Language each time.
     
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    I would think that it would be "preservation of sign language" for exactly the reason you state, but I'm not a grammar expert. Teachergroupie or Mamacita would probably have a more definite answer.
     
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    I think Sign Language is considered a proper noun and therefore does not need "the". It is a specific language.

    Maybe not because it is not always capatalized. But leaving "the" out sounds better!!
     
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    Preservation of Sign Language
     
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    My vote is for perservation of sign language
     
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    Are you preserving or perseverating?
     
  8. cutNglue

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    Too funny...you caught MY mistake. It is "preserving."
     
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    Ditto the above.
     
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    I wrote many papers on ASL in grad school, etc. it's definitely Preservation of Sign Language. :)
     
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    What they said.
     
  12. cutNglue

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    It just means I won. :)
     
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    Should it technically be Preservation of American Sign Language? Unless you are talking of laguanges that use signing in general. There are actually several different kinds of sign languages, but the most widely accepted language in the US is American Sign Language.
     
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    I should say American Sign Language but the video I saw it on didn't include that.
     
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    Ah :) My college ASL prof would have been soooo up in arms! She was very... how shall I say it... fanatical (not quite the word I'm looking for, but it'll do) about us understanding that ASL is a district and seperate language and not just a translation of English into signs.
     
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    I agree. I actually got this little argument going after I started watching a video assigned by my Linguistics of ASL professor. It's a video of a man signing from 1913. We are to compare the signs from then to now.
     
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    So is that you're trying to figure out how to cite the video title?
     
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    Nope, I was being slightly mean and trying to figure out if the grammar on the video was right or not. It just stood out. Usually I don't quite notice these things but it was there with a big black screen, a few big bolded white words.

    Analyzing the video was kinda interesting though. Many of the signs were the same but some were not. I had to try to figure out from context what some of the words were. The word for "love" was not the same. Sometimes the hands were crossed but over the heart. Sometimes only one hand was placed on the heart. The word heart in ASL now is used with the middle finger on the heart. In the video it shows the first finger circling a wide circle over the entire heart region. Some signs are regional but nevertheless I could see some distinct differences. One interesting notation was the influence of the English language existed even back then way before Signed English came into play. The words "and" and "to" are Signed English words which we say was made up in the 60's or 70's (can't remember) to teach young children English on the hands and yet they were present in 1913.
     
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    ASL is offered in some of the high schools here and taking the courses satisfies the "foreign" lanugage requirement for graduation.
     
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    That's cool that sign language evolves much like spoken languages.
     
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    ASL 101: It didn't start here. It originally was brought over by a man from France. There were home signs here and probably their own version but what we know as American Sign Language started out from French Sign Language and evolved over the years.
     
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    If there aren't regional differences and dialects in ASL, it would be pretty surprising: unless all the users of a language are in quite regular contact with all the other users, it's fairly inevitable that differences will begin to develop.
     
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    Right! We were told to take that into consideration and at the same time note changes through time.
     

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