First, let me say I do not agree with the formal graduation ceremony for pre-k kids. Unfortunately it is a requirement at the school where I teach. Caps, gowns, the whole nine yards. I have spoken out against it to no avail. Therefore, I normally make my program as short and simple as possible. Last night the kids hardly sang, they turned around talking to each other, they talked to me during the middle of the songs, two of the girls giggled uncontrollably,they were telling each other "stand up!" during the pledge, etc. The owner, director, and teachers were trying to "shush" them but it did not work. This has been how our entire year has been with these particular kids but I was still suprised at just how bad it was. They were completely out of control. I normally have pretty good success with children that have behavior issues through using postitive guidance etc. but this year the majority of the class was like this. Many of these kids have been at this school since they were two. They have had this type of reputation as a group the whole time and parent support was almost non-existent. I know it is a team effort but it still makes me feel like I was ineffective as a teacher. This whole year has left me with a really bad feeling. I have been doing this for 16 years and I have never experienced anything quite like this. I was just wondering if any of you have.