Gov. Perdue and advanced degrees

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  1. Teaching Grace

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    Are any other GA teachers going to be going back to school based on the decision of Perdue to have merit pay as of 2014? I'm considering it because even though it says that you can choose to remain on the salary schedule. But it still sounds like they are going to get rid of degree raises. What do ya'll think?
     
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    How does having an advanced degree make one a better teacher? I'm glad that he's encouraging teachers to go back to school for a higher degree, but what if they can't afford it or don't have the time?
     
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    no, the issue is that we will no longer get the pay raise that is typically associated with a higher degree. i was going to wait till my kids were older before i went back to get my specialist but now i'm thinking to do it before this goes into effect.
     
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    Do I want to opt to have a salary based on a score calculated half on student achievement and half on observation of how I manage my classroom?

    It would depend. Is my student achievement score determined by how much scores increase from a previous year? Or is it based on students' meeting a certain cut-off?

    And then it also depends upon whether my principal is a fair observor of classroom management. Or whether or not his/her style of management is the same as mine.

    All in all, for me it's too risky to put my salary in jeopardy. I like teaching the kids who struggle, hence my scores may not be as high as the scores from the school across town whose population is radically different from mine. And I have had a principal who didn't really like me and would tell me to "fix" something that the previous principal found to be fine.

    So no, I'll keep to the salary scale as is if they do enact the legislation.
     
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    The way I understand it, teaching-n-2 has it right. I, too, am thinking I need to hurry up and get my EdS degree before this takes effect. But, even if we do, what guarantee do we have? I hope he leaves office before he can do any more damage.
     
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    Good luck from your neighbor to the South! We just went through similiar problems. Ours left office due to term limits and believe it or not, we are still feeling the effects of his ingenious ideas to transform education.
     
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    Perdue really doesn't understand education. My understanding is that new teachers won't have an option. They will have to have salaries based on student performance.

    So, let's be realistic.

    Who will work in the schools where students are struggling if the pay is dependent upon students meeting an often unreasonable cut-off score? What about the schools that house the mildly mentally challenged who must under state law take the test for their grade level? Who will work with them?

    Perdue has a habit of throwing out "solutions" without understanding the system. I can't wait for him to leave office. I'd almost take Roy Barnes over him. (Although I despise Barne's teacher bashing in his last campaign.)
     
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    I'm not sure that I want Barnes back either. I don't know much about him except a negative undertone that is heard any time his name is mentioned. I was still in high school when he was in office. I have looked at degree programs and have decided to try applying to UGA as it's the only close college with the specialists concentration that I want. My hope is that I'll be able to use it later in my career as the job of reading specialist has always appealed to me. This is the last degree that I'll be getting anyways- just sooner than I wanted to do it!

    Another question: what about specials teachers? how are art teachers, math teachers, pe teachers, etc going to earn their bonuses? what's the base rate going to be? how is all of this going to be established? who is going to decide if you get a bonus or not? what's going to happen to the education programs at colleges and universities since there won't be any drive to go back to school?

    Another thing that Purdue is doing is getting rid of the RESA's. How are we supposed to continue being better teachers and keeping up with all the latest infor if there aren't any RESA's, we aren't encouraged to go back to school, and our counties can't afford professional development?
     
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    I just read a PAGE bulletin that came through and it stated you had to have been enrolled in the advanced degree program before January 27, 2010. I have been going back and forth about getting any more degree. I currently have my BS, Masters, and Endorsements in Reading, ESOL, and currently working on my Gifted (will be finished in June). I had wanted to get my Specialist in Curriculum and Instruction. Now I don't know. I am hoping that this is just some grandstanding foolishness of a lame-duck governor. I missed the Barnes era (didn't move here until 2003. Doesn't seem as anyone could act any less "education oriented" than Purdue.
     
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    Here is the e-mail I just received from GAE

    Monday, February 8 - Day 14

    Senate Action

    Today, members of the Senate filed the long-anticipated Merit Pay bill. Several weeks ago we reported that the Governor would be unveiling a merit pay proposal. At the time we had nothing in writing. We are including a summary of this bill for your information. It is imperative that you contact those who filed this bill to let them know your view of it. The Governo?s office has reported that they received 20,000 responses to a survey from classroom teachers and non-classroom teachers who overwhelmingly reported they were in favor of this type of proposal. There are still 105,000 certified educators who HAVE NOT provided their opinions. GAE calls upon the Governor to again survey Georgia? educators now that the details have finally been released to ensure full transparency. We urge you to let these Senators hear from YOU! Do not let this opportunity to speak up and speak out go without action!



    SB 386 by Senators Don Balfour (R-Snellville), Dan Moody (R- Johns Creek), Dan Weber (R-Dunwoody), Bill Heath (R-Bremen), and Bill Cowsert (R-Athens)

    No longer will a teacher be compensated for furthering his/her education or years experience, rather the State Board of Education (SBOE) will establish a mechanism to determine TEM or Teacher Effectiveness Measure. Fifty percent (50%) of an educator? TEM is based on student achievement and the remaining 50% is the Class Keys which is a classroom evaluation tool that i??still in testing? Administrators will be evaluated with the same calculation for their LEM or Leader Effectiveness Measure. Whether or not you receive a pay increase year to year is based on this TEM, LEM with NO MINIMUM STATE BASE SALARY!!!

    GAE Position: OPPOSE

    As educators we must act to preserve the integrity and security of our profession! Ask these legislators how can we educate Georg??s students to the best of our abilities when legislators do not want to compensate Georgia? teachers for furthering their own education! GAE disagrees with the findings from the National Center for Teaching Quality- we believe that every opportunity a teacher pursues to learn is an added opportunity they provide Georgia? students. This is insulting to the teaching profession! This bill outlines that 50% of one? TEM will be determined by student achievement but details are missing from the remaining 50%. It is not now nor will it ever be acceptable to take the livelihoods from the educators in Georgia!
     

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