Feels like my final 2 months at this school

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  1. Pi-R-Squared

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    Based on my early warning from the P, it looks like my final 2 months at this school. I don't think git matters how I perform. I think as long as I show up, I'll get my letter of recommendation and I'll be on my way. I believe I will be given the option to resign instead of being non-renewed. I don't think I'll be asked back for next year and they'll find a new teacher to replace me OR consolidate. Either way, I'm not getting those "you've been rehired" vibes.

    How does one handle the rest of the year knowing you're not returning?
     
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    It may not matter how you perform for your principal, but it should matter how you perform for own own sense of pride and self-worth.

    Don't let them define you.
     
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    I agree with Amy. Your performance should always be based on your own standards, not the expectations of your administration or possible loss of job. If I were to find out today that I wouldn't be back next year, not a thing would change in my classroom.
     
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    Agreed with the above posters. Really, it's a great opportunity to capture moments that you can mention in future interviews or cover letters: how are you impacting kids? How are you developing as a teacher? Just keep going about the year the same (perhaps with the exception of taking on extra school-related activities that repeat each year), and use those amazing moments to your benefit moving forward.
     
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    I always told myself: "I will be their only 2nd grade teacher. No one can ever take that away from me. This will be the best year ever for my kids!"
     
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    First of all, if you don't think they're having you back, I would send a letter of resignation now, effective the end of the school year, BEFORE they non-renew you. That way you can truthfully apply to other jobs without saying you were ever non-renewed.

    Then start looking for other jobs.

    Just tell everyone it wasn't a good fit.

    And then, as the others have said, make sure you and your students have the best end of the year possible. Give your students the best education possible. Try to collect some good work samples and document good projects to add to your portfolio. First document everything for your students now--put things up all over the bulletin boards, highlight projects on your website for parents, etc., so that it feels like a good culmination to the year for the students you have now--but also photograph and copy all that stuff so you can use it going forward.

    I wasn't renewed my first year and it was pretty painful in some ways...but in other ways, we just went along as usual at school. Lots of people knew I was't being asked back and they were very kind about it. And then I had a much better experience the next year. I did get hired although not until August. Good Luck!
     
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    The P said that, if a non-renewal were heading my way, he would give me the option to resign when that happens. As far as the applying for other jobs, I've already been non-renewed once so that's in my application. I just get the feeling that the P is strongly encouraging me to look elsewhere because of declining enrollment and also being a non-tenured teacher so I'd be a candidate on the chopping block. However, it doesn't escape me that I haven't had a strong teaching year as well. He could be letting me go because of performance but instead of saying that, he'll say it's because of other stuff. Does that make sense or am I assuming things?
     
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    I think that your assumption that you will receive a glowing LOR despite just showing up is faulty. Don't forget that most future employers will check in with your former employers, giving them a second chance to share information that may not be on the LOR. You would do yourself a favor by working to your true potential through the rest of the school year.
     
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    I would find out, before resigning or doing ANYTHING, if you are being non-renewed or if the school is eliminating your position due to a RIF (reduction in force).
     
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    For myself and the good of my students I would finish the year strong. I also agree that I would try to get some more info before resigning.
     
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    UPDATE: I asked the P a point blank question.

    "Am I in danger of losing my job due to performance?"

    He answered, "No."

    So that takes care of that part....

    The next part is more intriguing. He and I talked for a while about how far a commute I have AND that he's had to hire 3 upper-level math teachers in 4 years so he's seeking stability in the position by looking for someone who would stay long-term and not the 1 or 2 years that previous math teachers have been doing. He knows that I am actively searching for a job closer to home and would help me in whatever way possible to help me land one.

    Now here is where things get dicey. He wants to hire someone long-term but cannot officially look to hire a replacement since there is no position open. He said that I could submit my resignation on the condition that I search hard for a new job AND that he can look for a more permanent and long-term replacement and gathering resumes and conducting interviews. He said that if he cannot find someone suitable (i.e., a strong well-qualified and local candidate for the long haul) AND I cannot find a job from now to the end of summer, he would hire me back. At that point, I would be safe for only 1 year since the job cuts would come after. He said that chances are I will be able to find a new job BEFORE he can find someone suitable. He doesn't want to fill the position with a fresh-faced college graduate or someone looking for a 1-2 year commitment.

    A wrench in the aforementioned situation concerns someone who is now teaching the middle school grades. If she agrees to move to the HS and can pass the Praxis exam for HS math, then the P will have found someone as his permanent replacement. So it boils down to these scenarios and they all involve my submitting my resignation:

    1.) MS math teacher passes exam and moves into the HS math position. (I'm not hired back.)
    2.) MS math teacher declines to take exam, I cannot find a job AND the P cannot find a long-term replacement. (I'm re-hired for one more year)
    3.) I find a new job. (P hires someone short-term)


    Now that I've explained it, what does everyone think?
     
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    I think that you should not count on having a job at this school.
     
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    Do you suspect he's trying to convince me to resign? And all that talk about hiring me back is just bluster?
     
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    I just think that if he really wanted you to stay, you'd be staying. Why go to all the trouble of looking for yet another teacher when there is a teacher right there in that classroom? It's not up to him to decide what is and is not an acceptable commute for you. It's getting so complicated and convoluted and it doesn't need to be. He has the power to keep you on, full stop. He's giving you the runaround.
     
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    So would it just be better for me to resign? He even said I could explain away a resignation (the commute was too long, I was looking for a position closer to home, etc....) better than a non-renewal after only one year of teaching because the non-renewal would look fishy.
     
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    I wouldn't resign until I had another job offer.
     
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    Agreed. Don't resign. If you are RIF'd, meaning laid off, and you are still trying to find work in the fall, you can apply for unemployment. If you resign that's out the window.
     
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    There is a chance he might non-renew me though. I really don't want that.
     
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    He seems to be trying hard to get you to resign. Just my opinion.
     
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    Besides saving money on unemployment benefits, why would a P push someone this way?
     
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    An RIF is different from a non-renewal, and no application ever would treat the two like they are the same. You've been told you won't be non-renewed for performance related issues. Don't resign without another job in hand.
     
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    Because he wants the middle school teacher to move up, or because he would prefer you to move on but doesn't have the documentation necessary to justify a non-renewal.
     
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    I feel like if he wanted you to stay, he wouldn't have continued the conversation after he said you were not in danger of losing your job.
     
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    I'm going to be completely blunt as I give you an administrator's point of view: he doesn't want you to stay. Period. There's no use dissecting his words at this point.

    I'd start looking for a new job ASAP.
     
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    In my district a RIF is a very specific situation, not at all like what the OP is describing here.
     
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    Then I ask for advice so that I can parlay this into something that can give me the best chances of landing my next job.

    I know that he will conduct one more formal observation and it will take place in one of my more difficult classes. Someone mentioned earlier that he might not have justification for non-renewal. I can now see that, if I don't resign or play hardball or tick him off, he could use the 2nd observation as reason for non-renewal.

    I'm not at all concerned about resigning without a job. I was non-renewed last year on the last day and managed to land this position. Now, I already have a 7 week head start!

    I also have the feeling that he will write and speak glowingly of me if I go ahead and resign. That way, he gets what he wants and I can be assured of positive spin when a prospective employer calls him.

    Does this all sound good?
     
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    Are you tenured? Here, Admin cannot non-renew a tenured teacher; so, to get rid of teachers they don't want (for whatever reason), they try to get them to voluntarily leave the school which may be different from you resigning depending on your next steps. Here, when you resign, you are leaving the district. If you choose to leave your school, then you are voluntarily transferring to another school within the district. Sometimes, Admin will try to transfer teachers without their consent, but this becomes a Union issue and often can only be done due to a RIF.

    If you're not tenured, Admin can non-renew for all types of "petty" reasons and the teacher has little recourse. If there is a RIF and you are laid off, your Union may try to find you another job within your district depending on how your contract and district works.
     
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    Here, it is a show of respect if Admin will let you resign instead of non-renewing you because the burden to justify the non-renewal is next-to-nothing for them. It sounds like your P may not want your resume to say non-renewed (aka fired) but he wants you gone. I would start looking for a job ASAP but I would not resign until the deadline comes (if your district has one) or you get a job.

    Good luck!
     
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    I agree with the above posters. Start looking as hard as you can for something, and hopefully you're hired soon. You can let your P know you're doing that, as long as you're comfortable with doing so. Maybe he can give you an extra great recommendation to help speed up the process. You being hired at another school for next year closer to your home would be a mutually beneficial situation, and the sooner the better.
     
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    The P already knows I'm looking. One day last week, we had a flex in-service day. Most teachers were off but I had to come in. I asked the P if I could come in late so that I could "drop resumes off" on my way. He said, "Not a problem." He's said he would write a LOR and I can use him as a reference. He strongly encouraged me to start looking and I've been checking the state job postings every day. Other teachers at the school have agreed to be references. So the P and I are on the same page when it comes to my looking for a job. It's whether resigning before landing a new job would help me. The sooner I resign, the faster he can post the position to help him find his perfect replacement. He would be thrilled if I did that. And that could turn this whole situation into positives for both of us!
     
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    That resignation will keep you from all unemployment benefits, and that is not in your best interest. The commute is your problem, not your principal's, unless you have been late because of it. What people say they will do for you and what you actually get can be two very different things. You are not obligated to make his life easier, but to deal with the realities of your life.

    If you don't find a job, would you be willing to continue the commute? If the answer is yes, then resigning is truly not in your best interest. If he is being 100% truthful and your job performance is great, then I would not make his life easier by walking away from a job you may still need in the fall. RIF will not hold up in your situation, so you could be jobless with no benefits to tide you over. I remember how lucky you felt to find THIS job, buying the new dependable car for the commute. Sounds like there is not a basket of available jobs which may or may not be closer to your home. I think you are hoping there will be another job, but there are no guarantees of that.

    The sooner you resign, there are upsides for your principal. I see absolutely NO upside for you.
     
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    Over the course of the year, I've wavered from "I don't mind the commute" to ""The commute is just too long..." Also, from "I could do this one more year" to "I don't think I want to do this anymore." And then it wavers back to positive. Then the students get on my nerves. In all honesty, I really don't think I can survive teaching a 2nd year there. I would do the drive again only as a last option. I obtained my two science certs hoping to teach math and upper science but I don't think that's gonna happen where I am now. I may need to find a math / chem / physics job somewhere else.
     
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    I don't think it is smart to resign without having another job lined up. For me, the choice between a job I don't love and no job at all is not much of a choice at all. I'd definitely rather keep a job I don't love than be jobless and eventually carless, foodless, homeless, etc.
     
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    I could tell the P that I'm uncomfortable with resigning without another job lined up. He'd probably counter by referring to our "agreement." I'd like for this to be amicably resolved so I can comfortably continue looking for a job and not be pressured into a decision. The P also mentioned that he doesn't like to issue pink slips and then mentioned that I could resign. That's when the "agreement" talk started.

    Also, if I am pink-slipped, that will be 2 straight years on non-renewal.
     
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    Can you just not bring up / evade the subject for the time being?
     
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    Yes. He said we'd talk about options later.
     
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    This entire deal is the epitome of "don't count your chickens before they hatch".

    You need to be looking for positions ASAP. I know you have a preference on location, and that's great, but if that's where your heart is, you need to start early and broadly.

    Truthfully, I don't know how binding this arrangement you have with the P is, or what you would have to do if you wanted to take to arms and challenge it. I think it would be easier on all fronts to find the other job, though.
     
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    When we talked about it, he called it a "gentleman's agreement." He kept mentioning that, besides the middle school teacher being his hopeful long-term replacement for me, he knows of no one else that he would or could hire because he claims he doesn't know of anyone qualified enough.
     
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    Reading people in person is much easier, but it sounds like this P is talking out of both sides of his mouth. I wouldn't trust him to uphold his word.
     
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    I just don't understand why they'd let one person go because of declining enrollment but rehire for that same position. If enrollment is declining, wouldn't the position be eliminated?
     
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