Engage New York

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  1. Backroads

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    Next year my school is switching to Engage New York math curriculum. I'm in favor, generally because I hate our current math curriculum and as the year went on just sort of ignored it--as did many other teachers in the school.

    But, despite some skimming of the material (it's largely reserved for my summer study), I know nothing about it.

    Any experience, insight, opinions on it?
     
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  3. giraffe326

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    I used it when I taught K.
    Like all things, there are good and bad aspects of it. It is very rigorous and I had a very difficult time keeping up with my pacing.
     
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    I use it, but I modify it to fit my needs. I actually like the program a lot.
     
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    It's okay. It's good at the elementary level (sort of... I have my disagreements with it, especially how it has created new terminology to replace terms like standard deviation and variance in the statistics unit). I'm not a fat AT ALL of the HS level algebra, geometry, or trig books/materials. I just think it's a total mess, especially the geometry stuff.
     
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    I've used it in grades 2 and 3 now and I mostly like it. I think it is, for the most part laid out well with lessons building on each other and it definitely gives you a good structure to start from even if you end up needing to modify it some. I'd agree with giraffe326 that the pacing can be very tough though. Kids who get things quickly will be okay, but kids who don't will struggle if forced to stick to the pacing of the modules. I'm a special ed teacher and a lot of times my kids just needed more time with a concept than they got in a day so we ended up behind.
     
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    I'd love to hear how things are with the EngageNY (Eureka) program. I'm using the eureka geometry. It seems to be way over my students heads, so I'm having to supplement a lot. I'm liking the use of the transformations to relate everything; but it's taking way to much time.

    My school district has now announced that everyone is going to the Eureka program. It will be interesting to see the differences as the kids grow from 1st through high school with this new program. That is if my school district sticks with it; they seem to not let changes sit long enough to see any influence.
     
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    The stuff I've seen from EngageNY looks overpriced. And given that it's free...
     
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    My maternity sub gave up on Engage NY. I've been back two weeks and still haven't brought it fully out. Technically we don't have to use it so...
     
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    I don't really have any experience, just the anecdotal note that I considered using it during my maternity leave position, but that was more-so because our curriculum was a binder of random copies of math sheets/possible resources...and it would've provided some needed structure.
     
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    I've used bits and pieces of Engage for a few years. This year, my district adopted Eureka, which is essentially the same thing. I will say it's easier using the whole thing than select lessons as each day builds on the previous day. District wide, the students are struggling with the rigor. It's worse in the upper elementary grades because it assumes you've used the curriculum since K, so there's a lot of missing building blocks for my 5th graders.
     
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    I think it's the worst math program I've ever experienced.
     
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    There's some mental math stuff in it I love as well as some handy drills, but I'm finding myself going back to my old thing of making up my own math curriculum. The rest of my team is more or less doing the same. We've been supplementing since the beginning of the year.
     
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    This may be helpful - we've pulled together a bunch of EngageNY 8th grade math questions (as well as a bunch of other sources) over at Open Lesson Plan Project - you can easily edit questions and see edits other teachers have made, to make the content specific for your classroom.

    We're in early stages right now so would love for you to visit and let me know what you think! Message me for details.
     
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    Ok, I can understand the Math being an issue, but what about the ELA?
     
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    This is my second year using EngageNY. The first year I didn't like it at all. I felt it was confusing and way over the kids' heads. This year some of the kids are coming in knowing the vocabulary already as a few second grade teachers used it too. Because I'm more comfortable with it I know what to eliminate and what not to. We got some Smart board lessons on TPT and we went through and organized the student books they way we want them to look. I like it now.
     
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    I've only used a tiny bit of the ELA because it uses specific books throughout their units, and my district requires different texts. Some of the lessons stand alone, and I do like the flow of the lessons.
     
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    I found these posts interesting as I am halfway through Jo Boaler's book, Mathematical Mindsets. She cites much research that emphasizes manipulatives and understanding of concepts, viewing mistakes positively rather than as a handicap since correcting mistakes causes stronger brain growth, and heterogeneous grouping with an emphasis on cooperative learning and upper level objectives rather than just drill and practice. There's too much explanatory detail in the book to post here, but basically it ties together all the recent learning theory research that's been applied to other subjects into the math curriculum. Of particular interest was a study on page 119-120, in which a low achieving students, after two years with this type of curriculum, achieved higher in math than other schools using "traditional" curricula. Comparing what I've read with my overall experiences in teaching math, I find myself mostly agreeing with her. (Boaler, Jo. Mathematical Mindsets: Unleashing Students’ Potential through Creative Math, Inspiring Messages and Innovative Teaching. San Francisco: Jossey-Bass, 2016. Library nbr. 510.712 B)
     
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    I think the ELA is probably okay, if you are in New York. I say this because it integrates the science and social studies content standards into the ELA units. However, if you are in another state, you spend a lot of time on the ELA units teaching science and social studies content that may or may not be applicable to your own state... and, if it is not, then you still have to find time to teach your own state content standards. Also, the ELA does not allow for teaching how to read or write; it only assigns reading and writing. This is fine if you are in the older grades and don't need to do a reading or writing workshop, but you likely won't have enough time for those workshops if you do the EngageNY ELA. I think the EngageNY ELA programs serve as decent curriculum for teaching science or social studies, but I don't think that they are good stand alone ELA programs.
     
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    I only used the Engage NY ELA stuff during student teaching and a long-term sub placement, but I hated it. There's tons of emphasis on non-fiction which is fine - kids totally need that! - but if you don't have time for other ELA stuff outside of the modules (and we usually didn't), the kids get very little fiction or literature. A lot of the selections were also very dry. I love reading and writing, and I thought it was pretty mind-numbing. Definitely won't make a reading/writing-lover out of many kids who don't already love those subjects. Again, this is based on a short time in only one grade level though so I don't know how representative it is of the modules as a whole.
     
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    That scares me! Disregarding literature (and even destroying it) is how many countries lose their freedom and follow dictatorial belief systems. Literature records a culture's beliefs, mores, societal norms, and art forms. Literature encourages a reader to engage within the story and decide whether s/he agrees or disagrees. Already we have children whose only purpose of visiting a library is to check out a free DVD of Sponge Bob Squarepants or plug into Facebook.
     
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