Elderly Substitute Attacked

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  1. bandnerdtx

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    This happened at my former school this week. It's absolutely heartbreaking to watch, but sadly unsurprising that it happened considering the administration in the building and district. :unsure:The student was upset that the teacher took his phone.

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    what a piece of crap. And the rest of the kids cheering him on are too. I bet their mommas are proud. @@
     
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    I often really worry about what our world will look like in 20 years. That whole classroom of kids had no problem with that happening. It is disgusting.
     
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    I had to bail out a sub yesterday, twice. The students wouldn't do what she said after ten minutes of her asking. I walked up, told them to get back into the classroom and they did with not problem. Disgusted me.
     
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    Geeeeee, yeah, arrest his butt and press charges. One mistake she did make... going in his direction trying to get by him. Nah, I wouldn't have gone back that way.
     
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    A friend of mine that still works there said that this lady had knee replacement surgery last year and has trouble with mobility. She felt trapped in by the student.
     
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    God. And the ultimate problem here is...he couldn't handle having something he wasn't supposed to have taken away from him....I'm sorry...but that's SO KINDERGARTEN. I have to take things away from kids all the time that they know they're not supposed to have. Somewhere along the line kids have to learn how to deal with the word "No." I really think there is a serious and scary lack of coping mechanisms in some kids.
     
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    That boy needs to have a man from his community seriously shame him. Probably too late but hopefully something can get through to him.
     
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    I don't know what's worse... the fact that this ONE student acted like a monster, or that the MANY others in the room seemed like they couldn't care less and just laughed...

    heartbreaking.
     
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    I agree.
     
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    Another report stated that several students in the room reported the incident to administration.

    It was a horrible act, but I don't want to label the entire room as uncaring or worse.
     
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    The linked video said he walked to the principal office himself? Hopefully there is some criminal prosecution. I don't want this to be just another suspension.
     
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    School discipline should be separate from criminal prosecution. As a sub I would press charges myself.
     
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    I can easily understand why a student in that room wouldn't go to the sub's defense. You see that girl who was sitting in the front and scooted to the back (or somewhere off camera) when the commotion started? That would have been me. Poking my head into things would have resulted in me getting the crap beaten out of me. 16 year old me was a foot shorter and almost 200 pounds lighter than the attacker. I would have gotten out of the classroom, and hopefully to a nearby adult... preferably a very large adult.

    Even the laughter I can understand (although most of the noise in the room seemed to be of the "I can't believe this is happening" variety, more so than laughing)... People reacting to scary situations by laughing isn't particularly uncommon. Laughter is a form of tension relief.

    Now with all that said... the kids who decided to take out their cell phones and record everything... that I take issue with.
     
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    I truly hope the teacher presses charges and sues for coverage of her medical bills.
     
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    Oh, how I hope this woman has a seven foot 300 pound grandson who can take care of this ANIMAL!!!
     
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    I am so glad they did. EVIDENCE!!! :help:
     
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    I do not agree with this at all. I do not see kids (of this generation) being any less respectful than kids of 10, 20, 30 years ago. I think kids (at least the kids in my area) are probably more respectful than the kids from my generation.

    On a separate note, she is a substitute--not a teacher. BIG difference.
     
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    I think kids are less respectful then generations before.
    Each generation is being raised less strictly, and our kids often have very little parental involvement and no one teachers them right from wrong. I also worry about how it will be in 20 years.
    I see my students, and wonder what kind of parents they will be. One of my students just gave birth this week, she's not even 17 yet. The father of the baby wants nothing to do with her, she's on probation, and is in love with her boyfriend (not the father) who is in jail for at least 10 more years. Her mom is single, and I have no idea how they will raise that baby, let alone teach her respect.
     
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    How so?
     
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    Substitute or teacher, what's the difference? How dare these kids even thinking about laying a hand on anyone?
    And then, a teacher, God forbid say 'shut up' and the kids act like it's the end of the world.
     
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    I would pose the same question to you

    After all, teachers clearly do not consider substitutes to be their equal. The school district itself makes a clear distinction, in almost every possible way: pay, benefits, classification, perks, etc. They are called teachers in name only.

    Now, you might be asking, what is the difference (the point in bringing it up)? I just find it slightly patronizing, that teachers will leap to this defense (as an affront to teachers above anything else), when this person most probably is not someone they would even consider or give a second look to in the hallways or staff lounge. She is a "sub". This student is only acting out physically, the level of disdain that teachers themselves project (though obviously, going too far).

    That is, sub- as it the root word: below or inferior.
     
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    She's a retired teacher who retired from this school. I doubt any of her colleagues are treating her with much disdain.
     
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    John Lee, you have always been so bitter about being a substitute teacher, at least on these boards, as long as I can remember. However, your view is very narrow, as what you have experienced is not always the case.
    First of all, of course there is a difference in pay and benefits between a teacher and a sub. Most subs are not credentialed teachers, they don't have the same amount of education, no student teaching, and in any case they don't have the same amount of responsibilities (planning, short term and long term, responsible for students, parent contacts, and a long list). However I do feel that subs should get more pay with experience and with a credential.

    Teachers don't look at subs as nobodies. Maybe some do, but you shouldn't generalize. Most teachers were subs at one point. I never felt like I was looked at as anything less than a teacher.

    Teachers here saying how wrong this incident was are in NO WAY patronizing.
    You are very bitter.
     
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    What difference does that make?
     
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    Not true at all.
     
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    I'm very sorry, Mr. Lee, that you've been treated so poorly. My experiences have not been the same. Mind you, I taught in the school where the incident occurred for 10 years. I can say that the culture of the teachers in that building is not to be hateful or act superior to subs. However, sadly, it is very much the norm for the administration, at both the building and district level, to ignore discipline issues, have no consistency and blame the adults for any problems in the classroom.
     
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    “Times are bad. Children no longer obey their parents, and everyone is writing a book.” ― Cicero (106 BC - 43 BC)

    ;)
     
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    That was my thought too-the police/media got the videos off of Instagram, I don't think they were doing it to document it.

    I do hope there is some justice for her.
     
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    I suppose my post did come across that way. I watched a short news clip of another student saying that her classmates were all laughing... and that is the way it appeared to me. I truly hope I am wrong and that the other students did the right thing.


    Side note: By "right thing" I don't mean jumping in. I never implied that.
     
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    I am 31. Kids are WAY more disrespectful than they were in my generation. Parents no longer parent. Either they don't care, they are too lazy, they want to be the friend, whatever reason. Americans have developed this sense of entitlement, every one is a winner, and discipline is nearly non-existent. Yes, I am generalizing, but the majority of our population is this way. And I have lived and taught in the south, and now am back in the midwest where I grew up. Kids are pretty much exactly the same.
     
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    Your parents said the same thing about our generation, your grandparents said the same thing about your parents' generation, and your greatx10-grandparents said the same thing about your greatx9-grandparents' generation.
     
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    I see your point Giraffe, and maybe it is true in your experience. Let me share my experience. Giraffe you are 31. I taught students over 20 years ago who are now 31 like you. I would have to say they were as disrespectful as any group of students I have met today. They also felt a sense of entitlement as much as students today. I think the difference is that 20 years ago, you were 11, and it looks a lot different now that you are a teacher.

    One thing that this video shows is the incredible disrespect that goes towards substitute teachers. If I call home because a student disrespects a sub, I don't get many upset parents. If I call a parent about a child disrespecting me, the parent is usually very upset and far more is done.
     
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    I wasn't referring to your post or any post really. Sorry that you thought I was.

    I'm sure some students were laughing, and I did hear one whoo-hooing, but I agree with gr3teacher's post about how people react to situations like that in general. I just don't think all the rest of the kids were sanctioning the behavior by not intervening.
     
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    You are discounting my experience, because (your opinion) I'm bitter.

    For the record, *I* am treated with nothing but respect from most teachers. I am regularly commended, requested to work in classrooms. AFAIK, I have practically unanimous approval from teachers I've filled in for. That doesn't mean I'm blind.

    As to the issue of respect these days, I was just talking to a colleague about kids. I mentioned that, in my 10+ years in education, I have never seen or broken up a fight or even physical altercation between students. (KNOCK on wood; I'm jinxing myself I know) In my own experience, I used to see physical fights (same area, school system) regularly. In HS, kids used to just have ridiculous insubordination toward teachers.

    I'm not saying kids are better than before, but I don't see it being worse.
     
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    Oh. I know. And it has gotten worse. This makes me worry about 20, 40, 60 years from now. It is scary.
     
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    If you haven't seen a significant change in 20 years, I am incredibly jealous. I have seen a change in my 7 years.

    Sure, there were entitled and/or disrespectful kids when I was in school. They were the minority. I now think it is the majority. Not all kids are like that. And for the most part, it comes down to the parents' age. I have two kindergarteners right now that are behavior problems, have attention problems, and are academically behind. One has grown by leaps and bounds, one has not. One student's parents are in their late 40s. If I haven't called home in a week or so, the mom will pop in or call me. She always thanks me for the progress I've made with him. She sees improvements at home and she knows that I've been good for her son. She works with him and has always freely acknowledged his problems. The other student's parents are young- in their mid-twenties. They avoid me, refuse to listen when I try to make contact about anything. When I do talk to them, they reply with "She's five." Yeah, well, at the end of kindergarten, we shouldn't still be crawling around the floor during a math lesson. She has made very little progress this year. She has consequences at school, but there are no consequences at home for poor behavior. She still will lay on the floor and throw a temper tantrum at least twice a month. I'm sure it works at home.
     
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    I live in a state that still allows corporal punishment. A colleague of mine says things were much easier years ago because he was able to "bust tails." :lol:
     
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    Agreed. Also parents have a over-protectiveness syndrome, often taking the words of their kids over that of teachers and witnesses to behavior because they believe other adults are "out" for their child.

    It used to be that a community raised a child, but parents these days are often so afraid of others interfering that they refuse to listen to others.
     
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    But that was the 70's and 80's. LOL. Kind of a time of upheaval.
     

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