dreadful behavior

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  1. missidy

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    I have a 3 boys in my 4th grade class who are incredibly non-compliant, rude, and disrespectful and they just don't get the concept of behavior and consequences. (They've been like this apparently since kindergarten). I've been more strict this week...i've always been consistent with consequences but before I picked my battles and did behavior analysis (eg. if the behavior was attention seeking, i ignored). This week I have had zero tolerance for back-talk, and after a reminder and warning, the student had to go to the office during recess to 'sit'. I've always felt strongly about not taking play time, but natural consequences have not worked so my behavior specialist recommended this. All 3 have spent every recess in the office this week...today the principal had them scrub the building. Their behavior isn't changing! They tell me they don't like their 'consequence' and we rehearse how they should act/talk, but it's not linking. These boys bounce off each other and i spend most of my day keeping them apart. When i call them out for misbehaving they yell (rudely!) 'i hate you/this school/i want to die (pick one!). All have been and are going to counselling over death statements, although they seem manipulative attention seeking. I've warned them that each time they misbehave, they lose time during our special class party on Friday. Now they have NO time left for our party. My principal says to give them work and send them to another class during that time. These boys are going to have a complete melt-down. Help! I must follow through with the consequence, but i fear a physical altercation. My principal is on board and i'll have her come to support but i still dread this. Any thoughts/ideas? If you think this is the wrong approach i won't be offended! (as a side note, the rest of my class is lovely. We have lots of positive reinforcers for short term, long term....)
     
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    I have a 3/4 class and I also have a few of those students. In my case there are seven of them both boys and girls. It's a inner city school with many kids with issues. I do a variety of things that work for the most part.

    1. I have a point system for the whole class that rewards them for good behavior. They earn an extra play time every Friday - they always get it as I really look forward to this time. When one of my "kiddo's" has a problem they may have to miss 5 - 10 minutes of it.

    2. They do work in another class. In my school this is common, some days I have a rotating door with students from other classes. I sometimes have one in three different classes.

    3. They have to stay in at recess to do work with me. It's only to do work and I only keep in one at a time - the one with the most to do. They can go out as soon as they listen to my lecture and complete their work.

    4. We have behavior reports that go home and I probably send one a week. The parents have to sign and send back.

    5. Last resort is the principals office. I always send work and they sit on a bench outside her office and quietly do it.

    My guys are all really low and when they are feeling successful academically they act better. I have built a lot of down time into my program to make sure that everyone has enough time for help and relaxing brain time.
     
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    parents?

    What kind of support do you get from the parents? Invite them in to sit with their darlings for a while. Cheers for the admin's support. Are there other classes at the same level where you could trade one bad egg for another just to change the dynamics a bit?
     
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    Thanks for your comments. It actually went okay today (not as much of a meltdown as i expected) and it seems-fingers crossed-that they were making the connection between behavior and consequence. They've told me that they don't want to do work while others are having fun. We'll see how Monday goes!

    Flyingmickey, your 1st point is one of the big problems we have. I too have a system for earning fun time as an entire group, but when my offenders are responsible for losing time they pull out their bad attitude and say 'yeah, i didn't want game time/i don't care etc.' to ruin it for the others. This is why today the class had extra fun at their party, and these sad boys had to miss it.

    Parents are very supportive. One parent is a teacher...I watch his son be non-compliant and back-talk with him, but Dad doesn't understand that he chooses not to behave in school (implies that he's an angel at home)
     
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    I had 6 of these students. I call their parents every day. 1 out of 6 have parents who drop everything and come to school to set their child straight. 2 of these students transferred out, which I think has to do with me being on the parents' backs. It is totally inappropriate for parents to allow their children to steal the education from other children. I have 4th graders who crawl on the floor and do everything to get attention. I ignore it unless they are putting themselves or others at danger. I have these students on daily behavior reports. These work tremendously. Also, I give these students more jobs. It keeps their minds focused. I do send kids to the accommodation room when they are straight up annoying or hurting others.
     

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