SF : Isn't it okay just to say that if students don't want to say the pledge, they can just sit or stand quietly? What you totally lack are the social skills necessary to respect and appreciate the beliefs of others. You take any explanation as permission to put forth your beliefs and try to ram them down other's throats. Where is the respect for various opinions and beliefs that you seem to want to champion, yet manage to trample over and over? Until they are old enough to truly understand the history, intent at the time it was written, the circumstances under which it was adopted as the Pledge of Allegiance, and what it means to be a citizen of a nation made up almost entirely of immigrants, they can't make a truly informed choice or decision about whether or not to partake in the pledge. SF, I truly wish you would give this a rest and quit trying to high-jack and manipulate every thread you are on to being your own little posting factory intended to do nothing other than to get people posting in circles. Be done with it. If you used to pledge and now you don't, so be it. If you have parent issues about being made to do something, share with your therapist. If you want to discuss how you would run/share your beliefs in your own classroom, let's wait until that day ever or actually arrives. If children were born precocious like the young of some animals, you could impart all choices to them at birth. Humans are not that kind of species, and our long childhood is designed to be nurtured, taught, encouraged, challenged, and finally released to make their own choices of what they will do, where they will live, how they will live their lives, and thousands of other choices that they are NOT equipped to understand and accept at a very young age. If your childhood was miserable and you hate your parents, or any other chain of events that have affected you for a variety of reasons, at least be aware that those feelings are now spilling over onto people who have heard your arguments ad nauseam. Let the parents and actual teachers make the choices for these children that they are responsible for at this time. The way you present your opinions seems very much like propaganda to me, which is rich coming from someone proposing such ideological freedom. I don't know if this is because of a medical problem that you can't drop this, or if you are just out to rack up posts, or whether we are all being punked. It really doesn't matter since it truly is beating a dead horse. Here's hoping this thread is closed very soon as well. That's just me voicing my personal opinion, which I am sure you respect.