Do you get to sort the kids for next year?

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  1. applecore

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    Do you get to sort the kids in the grade level or does someone else get that pleasure of dividing the students into the next grade level?

    And if you do, how long does it take you?
     
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    Current teachers do placement for the next year...the only exceptions are small 'clusters' of students who are grouped according to sped pullouts...
     
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    I've always taught 5th (in a K-5 school), so this will be my first year doing it. However, our P changes the lists a lot.
     
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    We do it as a grade level, but it changes a lot for one reason or another.
     
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    At my (very small) school, the teachers have no say in what child is placed in what classrooms. Our instructional coordinators and counselor do it, and the P approves it.
     
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    Along with the principal, yes, we place students into classes for the next year.
     
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    We place the students. However, after we form the classes, our principal makes quite a few changes to accommodate parent requests.
     
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    we do it as a grade level and then sit with P to go over classes.
     
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    We place the children for next year. Usually the children are not moved around after our placement.
     
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    We place them as a grade level. I'm new, so I've never been through the process; I've only heard about it. I teach at a very large school so I'm curious about exactly how it works.
     
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    We do talk about placements of students, but our P has the final decision. Where we place students will change quite a bit throughout the summer months.

    We usually do our placement conversations in a 2.5 hour meeting during the school day and a few team meetings (about 40 minutes). Most of the time we can get placement complete in one 2.5 hour meeting, but we have needed the team meetings occasionally as well.
     
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    We work as a group- the 3rd grade teachers will work on 4th grade teachers to sort the students. We do it based on ability (we try to have a higher math ability class and a lower ability class) - then we factor in who can be with who, etc. We give that to our guidance counselor/student service person and she will sort it out further- she will get more requests, look through more friendship/bullying issues, etc. Then our P will sign off on it.

    So we are literally working on it- slowly- starting in May/June and not having it ready sometimes until the first week of school :)
     
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    We do it as a grade level team. I teach in a junior high, so we do both the Grade 7s and Grade 8s on the same day. Last year, it took about 3 hours for both grades.

    We look at a variety of factors, including personalities, when dividing the students up, so our administration is pretty good about not making a bunch of changes for the following year. It would have to be a major consideration to have them changed. I've heard our administration flat out say no to a parent who wanted their child moved because they "didn't have any friends" in the class in which they were placed.
     
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    I teach M.S., so we sort advisories, but not particular classes.
     
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    We sit down as a grade level team with the principal and vice principal and hash out the classes for next year. We don't decide which teacher gets which group of students; that is left entirely to the principal and vice principal.
     
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    In past years, the teachers on one team got together and sorted their students for the next year. So, my 2nd grade team grouped next year's 3rd graders. This year, only 2 of us are sorting through the INCOMING 2nd-graders, and placing them for next year. It's going to be very interesting...I've never done it this way before. My principal said it is supposed to "take away the emotional aspect of the placement process."
     
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    We've had the two teams come together and make classroom decisions. So that the current teachers can fit students with specific personalities that will match their learning needs, and the incoming teachers have a chance to decline should there be bad blood with parents (from older siblings they've taught).
     
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    Each grade level is supposed to make five classes that have an equal number of boys and girls, high and low students, and behavior problems.

    This is generally done in a smoke-filled room. Money and liquor changes hands.
     
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    My team would work so well with yours in that room.
     
  21. applecore

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    Thank you for sharing all your thoughts.


    It seems like there's some that take a substantial amount of time and some that do it quick and fast.

    We're facing a 1 hour meeting that we have to have all 6 classes leveled completely sorted and ready for the P to assign next year's teacher before we leave the meeting. The lists will be "set in stone" and ready to roll for students to meet their next year's teacher a few week later.

    Coworkers scoff at the 1 hour time, saying we'll need to call home to tell our families we're working late.

    I'm fairly certain we'll all be looking for the nearest watering hole by the time we're done.
     
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    We do it by grade level. We make a card for each student with factors like gender, ability, sped, gifted, behavior, and pesky parents. Each class new class is as balanced as possible. It takes hours, but it's worth it. When the P makes a change due to parental intervention, it causes huge problems.
     
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    I wish we had a spot for "pesky parents". That would be a nice forewarning.

    One thing this year that is a big change, and from what I've been hearing, there will be no teacher requests by parents for next unless there is an extreme reason why; and not liking the teacher is not on one of those lists.

    It's going to be interesting.
     
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    Our kids are grouped entirely based on NWEA MAP scores. :woot: :rolleyes:

    It has been a cluster****.
     
  25. applecore

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    EEEK!

    That would be a most challenge!

    But now that I think if, we're grouping ours by RTI scores....not the same, I'm sure. Just frustrating because test scores don't tell you that Johnny needs a break from Mikey, or that Susie and Sally should NEVER be together for the sake of all teachers from this point forward! (That's our problem right now with a gigantic bubble of drama this year!)
     
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    I'm so sorry for your students and staff! There's so much evidence suggesting this practice is harmful to students, not to mention it removes most positive models from your lower ability classes.




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    Agreed!

    Some teachers love it though so it's probably not going away. Less differentiation. Teachers can teach to basically one RIT band, etc.

    :dunno:
     
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    You bet we do!
    Any student that winds up on the "America's Most Wanted" list winds up in my class. :lol:

    Seriously though, our district constantly tells us that any method that could be viewed is "tracking" is forbidden. They emphasize heterogeneous grouping; so that the lousy students can drag down the good students, I suppose.
    :p
     
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    We don't really get to sort the kids. They will be off to middle school, so a lot of what classes they get placed into depends on what allied arts they sign up for, as well as if they are in high ability classes or special ed. We do rate each student based on behavior and academics. They use that data to try to split the students up evenly. We also have 550 kids per grade level, so it would be pretty impossible for us to all sit together and get it done.
     
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    It is quite the process at my school. Students are very strategically placed, not only based on high, low, other students in the class, etc., but also by teacher personality. So if a kid needs a more structured teacher, they go into teacher A's room, need someone who is extra loving? Teacher B is for you!
     
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    This thread inspired me to send a message to my team that I want to do things differently this year. I suggested that everyone send me a class list on an excel file with their students scored 1-5 in behavior and academics.

    I use that information to make five equal classes based on the numbers.

    Then, when we meet, we can fine-tune the lists based on any specific situations - so and so would be better with a certain teacher, or the teacher with the tiny room gets more of the "sweet and low's" instead of behavior problems.

    Hopefully, our team leader will go along. Sometimes she's overtaken by a "we've always done it this way" bug.
     
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    I seriously snorted outloud!

    These little friends always end up either in my class or my coworker's class because we're the "structured" teachers that "don't let kids get away with things". Which always made me want to scratch my head in wonder if all the other teachers are like Mary Poppins instead of like us Atilla the Huns?

    I'm REALLY looking forward to leveled academics and behaviors next year!
     
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    You had me at 550 kids.....:eek:
     
  34. applecore

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    The phrase, "What worked before, doesn't always work now" comes to mind; mainly because I've boldly said it in my own team meetings before as a newbie. I really hope she rolls with "outside the box" this time. It sounds like you're organized and ready to go.

    We have a similar form to fill out, but being on an excell sheet sounds like a perfect idea! Thanks for sharing that piece. We do this for leveling RTI.
     
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    our class lists are always a hot mess, too. this year the rumor is that the P will be making them :) cheers!
     
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    We used to have a say years ago, but not anymore. The P, counselor, and dean of students make the lists now.
     
  37. applecore

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    I'd love for someone else to make the lists.

    We're doing it this week. Two grades have already done theirs this week...and it's taken 2 hours!

    Ugh.

    My team's ready and we're starting to take bets to see who can get in and out the shortest amount of time between grade levels.
     
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    Our classes all loop together. So regardless of what grade I'm teaching next year all of my students will go together to the same 4th grade class. They only move kids if there's a significant issue with another child or if the child needs a different setting (for ESL or SPED)
     
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    Usually here kids are grouped for longer periods of time-- in some cases (like in my last school) they started with their group at 3 years old (pre-primary stage) and continued with the same group through 6th. Clearly that can be a disaster. The school I'm at this year keeps the same groupings from 3-years-old to the end of second grade, then mixes it up and the kids stay with their next group through 6th.
     

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