Do you ever want to just stop caring?

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  1. RussianBlueMommy

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    Hi Everyone

    Maybe it's just because it's Monday or I am feeling under the weather. But has anyone ever felt like they just didn't care about behavior? That the class is so massive (35 CTE students, Principles of Ag/COnstruction) and has been undisciplined for so long, been allowed to rule the classroom, etc that it's a losing battle to try and gain some order?T They are mad he said no shop or computers -_-

    The constant requests to leave the room, excessive talking/being loud and you having to yell just to get an edge wise and they still don't listen. Refusal to do the work the teacher assigned and just blatant disrespect and rudeness.

    I'm good at my job, but some days I just feel defeated.
     
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    I have felt that way more this school year that in my past 15 years combined I think. It's scary. For me it is less about behavior (though there is definitely more management of that) and more about apathy.

    That's not the teacher I want to be but it is rough. My biggest fear is that it is merely reflective of society at large.
     
  4. RussianBlueMommy

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    I have done this 3 years, and I think it is the worst year I have ever had,.
     
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    Honestly, yes.

    Moving into a specialist position has really reduced the number of days I feel like this.
     
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    This group has been different than other groups, but I can confidently say that I don't ever want to, nor will, stop caring. As I was doing a behavior plan yesterday, and as I shared my disappointment in certain choices that others had made, at the heart of that was my love and care for wanting them to have the best possible path.

    If anything, I take those harder moments as opportunities to learn and grow as a teacher and have even more strategies under my belt.
     
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    Yesterday afternoon.

    This might not be quite the same thing, but I have so many kids with "needs" that I don't always know if I should allow them or not to randomly scream or roll on the floor or wander the room as they can't control it. It's draining trying to figure it out.
     
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    Here are my random ideas that just came to mind - might be worth a try! Make the course so interesting that everyone will want to participate.

    Guest Speakers
    If possible invite guest speakers from the industry to talk about key aspects of their jobs that students would be interested in. I would have a simple note-taking sheet that students can fill in during the presentation: speaker's name, company name, position/title, major responsibilities, qualifications, worksites, co-workers, social skills needed, salary, etc. Ask them to come wearing their work clothes and equipment (e.g. tool belt . . .). They can even show slides or a video of themselves at work. Of course, each 20-30 minute presentation would end with a Q and A. Help students to compose astute questions beforehand using note-taking sheet as a guide - award extra points to those who volunteer to ask a question. Ideally, there would be a guest speaker at the beginning of each week.

    Field Trips
    If possible, make arrangements for the class to visit a local Ag/Construction company. Have the manager give them a tour of the facilities/worksite. Prepare a "worksheet" for each student to fill out during the tour complete with questions that they can ask (award extra points for students who volunteer to ask questions).

    Project-Based Learning
    If you have not already done so, provide teams of students with the opportunity to work on special projects of their own design using the concepts and information learned in class. Provide specific guidelines for each phase of the project to ensure their success. The group projects can possibly be used as a carrot to motivate students to become more attentive. How about having them address a challenging problem that they learned about on the field trip (real life application)?

    Mini Research Projects
    Develop a list of topics that students can research. The mini research project would be a one-week activity that might involve gathering info. from the internet, interview experts, professional publications, etc. It could also include a 1-2 page written summary of key points - again you could provide them with a simple template - and might culminate in a 5-minute presentation to the class.
     
  9. RussianBlueMommy

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    These are all great ideas, but im inclusion and get pulled to full time sub. I have no authority to do anything like that.
     
  10. futuremathsprof

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    I know. Some days my classes are great and then the next the students just feel unmotivated to learn. It’s so bizarre how they do a complete 180. For instance, on the good days the students come in smiling and ask, “What are we doing today?!” excitedly. Then, the next day, I get the “I don’t feel like doing anything today.” They then proceed to drag their feet — it’s like pulling teeth.

    Luckily, I’ve fine-tuned my classroom management so I am able to get most of everyone motivated, but some days are still a struggle. I’ve even had to resort to having everyone stand up and stretch so they stop acting like zombies.
     
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    Yes, every May once they've checked out.
     
  12. TXforever

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    Yup. This year has been rough. Lots of new demands from admin. In 11 years I’ve never been so close to playing hooky as I have been this year.
     
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    Yes I do get that some days. Not often, but some days. On those days that I feel like this and I know the kids are in a crappy and unsettled mood and it coincides with me being too exhausted to want to deal with it, I just roll with it. They are allowed to have bad days too. I make a deal with the kids that they work well for half a lesson and then we do something like enjoy like watching a movie or playing basketball or something. It usually works. We both win.
     
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    I'm seeing, reading, and hearing much about the increase in student misbehavior. I'm reading much about the apparent causes of this, too. A recent phenomenon in science is to attribute cause to several reasons rather than just a singular stimulus, and I'm suspicious that's the case in student misbehavior. If so, then that explains why it can be difficult for a teacher to proficiently resolve misbehavior in a classroom of many misbehaved students. One overruling stimulus might be stress.

    Michele Borba cites resources that indicate current childhood stress has increased by 25%, 1/3 of all teenagers report feeling "overwhelmed", and teen stress is seemingly greater than adult stress. Socially, there's more today for kids to be stressed about, from preschool on up through college. On top of that, kids aren't physically prepared to handle stress at any level; many don't eat nutritiously, many don't get appropriate exercise or outdoor exposure, and many are overwhelmed by digital and TV media. Even little seemingly harmless activities might be harmful; young kids, even toddlers, hold cell phones against their heads--last I read, except for U.S. (tech funded) research, other research does not indicate the safety of holding cell phones that close to the body, and for a kid's brain, the radio waves enter almost to the middle of the brain (as I saw demonstrated on CNN years ago). (Even though adult brains receive less interference, I've gotten into the habit of placing my finger between the phone and my ear--apparently just that little distance makes a gigantic difference). Perhaps this is harmless, but I can't imagine a store clerk walking up to parents in the 1950's and asking if he can zap radio waves into the middle of their child's head! Add to all this the stress of playing video games. Many if not most games are a rapid zap or be zapped format which increase the lower brain functioning and lesson the upper brain; of course, the lower brain is the stress area of the brain and the upper brain is the part the calms stress. In the meantime, even elementary kids are now worried about their likes and their status on social media. To top it off, where are the parents. Apparently the parents are tied up in work, tied up in social media or TV, or stressed themselves wondering why their kids are running wild. With respect to various behavior management techniques, I do wonder what the scientific rationale is behind yelling at kids as opposed to teaching kids proper behavior. A visit to the mall or market demonstrates that this (or "Here's some candy now shut up") are the most popular disciplinary methods to date. Kids today are under stress, and the old model of the fist over the thumb (representing the amygdala) suddenly opening up when the person flips their lid portrays students in classrooms today.

    Source:
    Borba, Michele. UnSelfie: Why Empathetic Kids Succeed in Our All-About-Me World. New York: Touchstone, 2016.
     
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    Yes.

    The system is often designed to wear teachers down and push them out the door.
     
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    This week has been much better. I do love what I do :)
     
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    Some weeks are like that. Even in Australia.
     
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    Lol love the Alexander reference!
     
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    Quite simply, no. I work hard at creating a classroom climate that minimizes behavior issues. And when blips occur,I deal with them. Stopping caring is not an option for me.
     
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    I have had classes where there are some kids who will fight you every inch of the way to avoid you giving them an education. Eventually I will just put them on the backburner so I can concentrate on those who actually want to learn and progress. Any failure of the former kids is down to them, they had more than their fair share of chances to benefit but chose not to. Hopefully then those kids who wanted to learn get the plum college places and those that didn't get whatever is left over.
     
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    I worked for 9 years in schools. preschool to High school, mostly subbing, even subbing at daycares and special needs preschools.
    MOstly with special education students, all kinds.

    Besides that, I've always taught/tutored at home. Russian, RSL (Russian as second language) English, now I'm teaching Yoga.

    In my 9 years of school + home teaching I've finally arrived at one simple conclusion: I believe when a student is misbehaving it's not his/her fault. There can be 100s of reasons why he does that: tough life at home, rough day, constant stress, bullying, etc.

    I'm not saying we should let our students misbehave. All I'm saying is that I think it's teacher's responsibility to figure out how to set up a
    learning environment so that the student is motivated to learn, not misbehave
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    after 9 years of working in schools I realized that schools are not those places where I can see myself teaching and following those principles. I greatly applaud those who can do it under all the modern stress of schools.

    as for me, I said Good-bye to schools. No one regretted it, not me, not schools :)
    it's an interesting coincidance that it happened within a week that this post was started!
     
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    Regardless of how annoying or difficult my students are, I somehow always care about their success, their education, and their needs.
    I understand that some teachers on here have had negative experiences with teaching. My school district is surprisingly very helpful.
     
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    There are definitely underlying reasons for kids' misbehavior but those don't absolve them from their choices.
     
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    Behavior is 1 thing I always cared about. I can't think of 1 day I didn't in my career. I do not do well with chaos. :)
    However, I've had times when I'd just feel the need to "give up academically" with extremely trying kids for short periods of time. Certain ones who pushed buttons, didn't seem to care, and had severe behavior problems were ones that I sometimes had to take a step back from teaching academics. I know this may sound horrible, but I have had some that I wouldn't care if they learned anything academic for maybe up to 2 weeks. It wasn't often or with most kids. The good news though is I am quietly stubborn and value learning. I'd snap out of it usually fairly quickly. I remember some of those kids very clearly still.
     
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    I was mostly coming here to see whether this thread had been updated to go with 2020. Because frankly I think kids have been great overall with coping with a year of complete unprecedented change but honestly, I haven't had the best one myself. It's been hard to keep connected to things but I'm still here and for that I'm grateful. Either way, I know caring is hard to do after a while but please keep at it, it's worth it for them.
     
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    This thread bothers me more than a little bit, simply because it implies that caring is a conscious thought process that some people have by choice. I would agree that we all have to decide for ourselves about how we run our classes, how we grade, etc., but if you "quit caring" do you actually deserve to be a teacher?
    This quote makes sense to me. You can understand that every student will not be A+, while still caring about the child and their welfare. This teacher has simply given themselves a permissible "time out" because the students are not responsive to instruction at that moment in time. If you teach SPED, you recognize the scenario.
     
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    It would happen if I got extremely frustrated and felt like I was hitting a brick wall for too long or extreme behavior. I'd tell myself in my head, " I don't care anymore!" Probably trying to convince myself. But yeah, I did still care. The "step back" was the only way I knew how to cope. I think it was for my sanity sake. The truth is I am really stubborn when it comes to learning....haha, so I never would be able to really give up for more than a couple of weeks. It probably did the kid good too to have a break b/c looking back, the kid was usually much more receptive after 1 of my episodes/ breaks. I am pretty sure they picked up on it. I never felt like it was a "permissible time out" ( I like the sound of that!) :) I felt guilty when I did it.
     
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    Yup, sometimes you just have to do the bare minimum and stop killing yourself. They'll get over it.
     
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    We all feel that way sometimes, it's normal. When there are more than 15 kids in a class, it's total chaos. You need to try to have good lessons, consult the principal, the parents. I am sure it will be fine.
     
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    Wow, this is exactly I experienced in the first year of teaching. Being loud, excessive talking, disrespectful, no assignments done... I got control in my second year.
     
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    I have done this 3 years, and I think it is the worst year I have ever had,.
     
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    I did for today.
     
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    This
    That's where I'm headed. People who give no effort don't go home stressed.
     
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    Sometimes they end up just staying at home, because the job disappears.
     
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    I think there is a difference between caring and taking everything personally. This is an important difference to me. I don't ever want to stop caring, but that doesn't mean I take it all personally. I used to not understand the difference and it wore me down.
     
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    I think there are times you do need to detach, rest, and regroup.
    Sorry, it sounds pretty not fun nowadays.
     

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